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Looks like what was known as the Paceman concept is on the way.
I like the roofline but just don't like the front of it. I really hope the next gen MINI due next year does not have a front end the same as this. It just doesn't have the friendly/cuddly face that a mini should have.
http://i.autoblog.com/2012/05/03/min...otted-testing/
hmmmmm :scratch:
not sure how I feel about this. But I'm getting a bit :dizzy: with such a rush of new models all the time, certainly feels like a diluted brand now.
http://youtu.be/3otHpH9pQpY
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnV...Concept-14.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnV...Concept-01.jpg
The whole MINI Range is bamboozling these days. This is for someone that wants ALL4 Drive but not as small as the Hatch, not as big as the Countryman or as small as the Clubman. Not as sporty as the Coupe or Roadster or as Nuts as the GP….. I take it this will be sold in JCW form with 4WD. :confused:
I have to hold my hand up as I’ve always been a Mini fan first and foremost and yes my R56 is a million miles from the old classic but still it reminds me of it and harks back to it in little touches like the Speedo, the lights etc. Every step I see BMW gently move us, persuade us to come along for the ride while also moving step by step away from the thing that some of us cherished the most that it was a throw back and modern spin on a classic we all loved.
F56
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http://s3.motoringfile.com.s3.amazon...ze-640x478.jpg
Familiar MINI design elements interpreted in new ways.:confused:
Interior will also be a complete redesign from the ground up reinterpreting the MINI design language into something fresh and more user friendly:sad:
Although it probably won’t look remotely like this. But it is tied down designers and BMW heads have been in the same room as the new One series and the F56. If the F56 looks like this then I'll be buying one of the last R56 or R59 as it looks more like a baby Toyota or Skoda. Silly I know but there is a certain meanness in a car that attracts me to it and even if the JCW is off the cards for most of us I like knowing it’s in my corner. This looks so soft from the outset I just don’t know how you progress.
What's next on the Mini Chart!
MINI Model Cheat Sheet
1st Gen MINI
R50: One & MC Hatch
R52: All 1st Gen MINI Convt.
R53: MCS Hatch
2nd Gen MINI
R55: Clubman
R56: Hatch
R57: Convertible
R58: Coupe
R59: Roadster
3rd Gen MINI
F55: Clubman
F56: Hatch
F57: Convertible
F60: MINI Crossover
F61: MINI Crossover Coupe
F62: Traveller
Yes please, Ilike the looks on this... I have grown to really like the Countryman, EXCEPT for the look of rear end and also that mahoosive mini badge/boot handle thingymajig!!! So Iook forward to seeing this 3dr version and how it compares side by side with the Countryman. :-)
I rather fancy a 3dr countryman with All4.
Has a bit of an Evoque to the roofline, which I'm sure is deliberate when you look at the sales success that car has had.
I quite like it from the rear 3/4 view, but not a major fan of the nose. Kind of necessary though to get the height above the engine that the EU legislate for now though for pedestrian safety.
Seems very like the Evoque as said above ^^^
So many MINI variants now something to keep everyone happy:p
I give up.....how many variants do they need.........it's is becoming a joke.
Like the evoque? Funny, I just thought the evoque had styled itself on a mini :D
I've probably said it on here before but I can't stand the Evoque. A horrible fashion accessory IMO!Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyR
I would disagree completely. The 5dr is one of the best looking motors on the market at the moment in my opinion. The interior is very well laid out and feels far better quality than any mini.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
Would you not say that a Mini can be classed as a fashion accessory as well.
Totally, that's why it's the sales success it is and the Beetle isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ianking
This thread got me thinking as I drove into work earlier about the similarities between mini and Range Rover (bear with me). Range Rover have been applauded for being a success with the way they have turned the brand around, and yet still have a couple of key cars that could be seen as crown jewels (Defender and the full fat Range Rover) that you just cannot tinker with as people expect a certain shape and features. Mini is the same and the standard Cooper/S/D/SD is that car. RR needed a wider range so brought out Freelander and Discovery. They appeal to different people and they still sell Range Rovers and yet they don't get the grief Mini does when they've done the same thing.
People want choice these days, a Mini is great but for some it's not big enough. Well, you can still buy into the mini qualities if you buy a Countryman/Coupe etc but they do need to keep the core car with the same qualities. You only need to look at all the pointless variances that Audi/BMW/Merc do to sell a few more cars. A slightly less practical A6 that looks a bit sportier? Buy an A5 Sportback. Don't have any need for the back seats in a Mini? Buy a coupe.
I don't think RR did themselves any favours in the UK with the Victoria Beckham tie in for the Evoque, but that's not the point - it was done to sell bucketloads in Asia where beckham has a very strong image. Bear in mind that Asia is where these cars are really selling at the moment and are profitable, a full fat RR being 250K in China, so things like this Countryman Coupe will no doubt sell loads there too.
I can't wait to for the 4WD JCW Speedster Goodwood Limited Edition version, but I realise that in the 6 months between the standard car being introduced and that arriving there will have been another 25 variations launched, so I may have changed my mind by then. :smilewinkgrin:
I bared with it and I see your point, I agree with it and very well put too!Quote:
Originally Posted by euan
I've never a fan of new Mini's until I see them in the flesh, the Countryman has really grown on me since it's launch and I was mightily impressed with it when I had one as a courtesy car.
We'll need to disagree on the looks I'm afraid Ian. As well as the looks, I am not a fan of the Range Rover image. I never see these cars driven with much courtesy for other road users or do I regularly see them on the driving lane of a motorway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ianking
The Evoque should be much better built than a MINI. Forget a top of the range JCW, the basic MINI design is from about £12k, how much is the most basic Evoque, double that or more?
MINI is not a fashion accessory, its a small practical car with a bit sporting flair.
The Beetle seemed to be a huge success in the US when it first came out, the market that it was really designed for. It was built in Mexico after all, next to its main market.Quote:
Originally Posted by euan
A fashion accessory is exactly what a MINI is marketed as, no-one could really describe the regular hatch as a "practical car". In the states iirc it's been sold since the days of the R50 as a 2+2 coupe....Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
Agreed! I think a small practical car with a bit of flair would be something like a Fiesta Zetec or Corsa SXI or a Twingo Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniSnaps
Does that means we are all a bunch of shallow posers?
I have bought 4 MINIs because "I" like the way they look and drive, I have no interest in image.
Having said that, I would never buy a Range Rover partly due to the image, so maybe I do have an interest in image!
No, but with the best will in the world a MINI hatch could never be described as a "practical car", it has a tiny boot and zero rear legroom. Image is the key USP for all such cars (the MINI, Beetle, Alfa Romeo Mito, Fiat 500, etc) none of the cars in this market segment are sold on practicality.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
I don't think because we own a Mini and its a fashion accessory that we are instantly shallow or posers? Like you Ken, I bought my S because it goes like stink and drives amazingly on the twistys! I bought it because I love it, not because it's practical. If I wanted something practical I'd of bought a Fiesta Zetec TDCi.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
I agree with you on the Range Rover front, I probably wouldn't buy one. If I wanted a 4x4 I'd probably buy a Discovery because out of the the RR/Land Rover range, it's probably the most realistic and practical 4x4.
I maybe used the word practical to describe the MINI. I meant practical as in easy to drive and park in town. I never have anyone in the rear of my car and the boot is big enough apart from my clubs. This is why I like the Coupe.
Big 4x4 cars are so not practical for most people's needs. A 3 tonne gas guzzler that is difficult to park in the tiny spaces we have by a lot of the people who drive them is not a practical car. People who buy one to protect their child on the school run would not like anyone to hit their pedestrian child in one of those.
Also, there must be a lot of people feeling foolish after rushing to buy a 4x4 due to our winters, how many times was it needed this past winter. If was going for 4x4 I would buy a VW, Audi, Panda or Countryman!
I would agree with you there in terms of ease of parking. My old man has an Astra Design and it's awful to park, you can hardly see anything!Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
I'd wager that the majority of 4x4s aren't bought for practicality either, most are bought either as, once again, fashion statements or because they are perceived to be safe - witness the number used on school runs in purely suburban areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
Minisnaps and Kenl... I wish my life was as clear cut as you pair seem to make it.
Sometimes life dictates what you need and not what you would choose. This happened to me over the last year or so. I'm so glad Ken that your "gloating" at the fact I chose to run a 4x4 to look after my family rather than run what I really wanted which was a mini.
You guys make me laugh sometimes, but in this instance you just come across as opinionated eejits :(
Thanks Craig!
Your welcome !
You know folks, I've just about given up trying to keep up with every new model MINI (if that's what we're still calling them by the end of the year...) seems intent on releasing.
Making my mind up about these 'offshoots' is like trying to sweep up leaves on a windy day. Is it still a MINI? Do I like the looks? Do we need ANOTHER variation on what's just been introduced? Will I offend anyone if I say it's awful?
I've expressed my views about the 'Paceman' concept long ago - MINI apparently made the Countryman as a practical (well as 'practical' as MINI gets...), stylish choice for those who needed more space etc, but they're now trying to introduce 'Sporty' into the equation (despite the availability of a JCW Countryman) with this arguably less practical version of a model which was specifically introduced because the rest of the range wasn't practical enough. See what I mean about getting confused? Aesthetic arguments aside, IMHO it's just another model which some will see as a 'must have', and will be happy to spend their hard-earned on because it's new and 'different'. It won't REALLY matter that it doesn't drive as well as the Hatch, or that it's not as practical as the Countryman, it's new and might have some kind of fashionable 'cache' - for a few months till the next 'latest concept' appears - and it's handy if your finances won't stretch to an Evoque...
On the subject of 'Fashion', back in 2001 and for a few years afterwards, MINI was THE fashionable car to be seen in. It was bought by petrolheads like me 'in the know' and 'fashionistas' just for show. It got more looks than Ferraris and would actually attract a wee crowd when you parked up - I know, I was there.
Now I don't consider myself shallow (I'm just short), or a 'Poser' (have you SEEN me?), but I like my cars to be appreciated by everyone from small kids to petrolheads and pensioners (and remember, the latter two aren't mutually exclusive!), so when your car, whatever it is, gets the thumbs up from your peers or innocent bystanders, it feels DAMN GOOD! The difference with the MINI was that while it had all that Retro Chic 'catwalk stuff' going on, what set it apart from the 'New Beetles' of this world was that you could point it down a decent road and DRIVE THE NUTS OFF IT. It was and is a great drivers car, because underneath the style it had substance.
These days I feel that while all the new MINI models will be decent to drive, as time goes on, Substance is possibly in danger of being diluted by Style, and as a MINI enthusiast I find that a bit sad.
Craig, I don't recall make any observations with regard your life, what I did do was offer my views, and ones based on having covered this very topic (the consumer buying-decision process with regard to cars) as my dissertation at uni....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
Hey MiniSnaps. Suggest you keep your opinions to yourself, somebody might call you an eejit :hand:Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniSnaps
Is my dissertation supervisor here? :smilewinkgrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
Paceman will be going on sale in March 2013 and will be sold at about £1200 over the price of an equivalent Countryman... :moonie:
Make a more "practical" MINI :thumbs up:
Make it LESS practical :frown:
Charge more :argh:
Job Done :thud:
Comes with free His N' Hers "We couldn't afford an Evoque" T-shirts :laugh:
Crazy! Most manufacturers charge less for 2 door versions of their cars. I don't see this selling.Quote:
Originally Posted by zimbo
Roll on the next gen MINI. It is supposed to be slightly larger than the current car and a four door version is rumoured. If it looks like the Countryman/Paceman I will probably not be buying one. Just can't get used to the look of the Countryman I'm sorry to say.
You've missed the point, add the word "coupe" to the name of the 2/3 door version (think previous gen Astra) and the hoi polloi will pay extra, it's a well tried and tested formula...Quote:
Originally Posted by KenL
I was gonna start a new thread.. then I found this one..
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...ceman-unveiled
I actaully really like it.... a lot more than the Countryman. I dunno.. the shape seems just more... "right"...
Now give me a Works version kitted out like a WRC car please! ;):cool::thumbs up:
Here are some more foties....
http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/mini-paceman-2013-revealed
Ok its got All4 but I just don’t get its placement as well, Its like something you’d have if you did not want somthings as big as the countryman but is in fact the same size but with fewer doors.:confused:
Got to love there desire to cover every niche even if that nice does not exist. Must have been all those owners going in saying “ Mmmmmmm I like the Countryman being a proper four doors but can I have it styled with just two doors.
Good in the winter all the same with that All4 I imagine. Here I'll love any Other MINI just as long as the Hatch keeps its size and harks back to the Classic style wise:thumbs up::smilewinkgrin:
Isn't this just now a BIG fat R56 though?
I've said before - take the 'Practical' MINI and make it less practical and a bit more 'stylish'.
So they've got back to the R56, but 'Supersized' it. :idunno:
I usually get to a point after sticking with a make for a good few years, (Classic Mini, Vauxhall Nova, Peugeot 106 XSi and Gti) that I get a bit 'fed up' and want to try someting new. I've never really felt this with the MINI hatch, and that's been 11 years now. It's just such a bleedin' great wee car! What I do feel these days is that MINI is actually outgrowing ME (in size as well as purpose) - the opposite to what usually happens. Rather than me getting fed up with MINI, MINI, it seems, is fed up with me and has run off with a new gang, leaving all us old 'originals' scratching their heads. It had to happen sometime I suppose and it's a testament to the R53 and R56 that they'll leave me before I leave them.
I see no need for a 2 door version of the Countryman, waste of time, why have a BIG Mini and then minisize it with less doors.
The Countryman was mainly aimed at the USA SUV market anyway
Edit: All that weight in a Cooper variant will take a bit of getting used to, the S version is rated to do 0 - 60 in 7.5 seconds :idunno: