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Ooops! You remember you said it was all a bit of fun and not serious?

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quote:Originally posted by Big Col

<sighs> I'm afraid you're wrong Big G. My sentence was in the simple past tense, which means either the time period has finished, as in "I saw three movies last week." or that the time is clear, as in "I saw that movie on Thursday" or "You might have saw me on the Arbroath run". Had my sentence been in the present perfect tense, which is used when the time period has NOT finished, as in "I have seen three movies this week" or when the time is not specific, as in "I have seen that movie already." or "You might have seen me on a run." then you would be correct in using "seen" and not "saw". :)

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Inexorably sucked into a response....

Think the change from 'I' to 'You' affects the result or the use of the word 'have', so I don't think the examples demonstrate your argument.
The following sentences could be used instead, thus avoiding the great seen-saw debate:

'You possibly observed me on the Arbroath run'
'You may have noticed me on the Arbroath run'

Anyway, wouldn't it be the MINIs that everyone would be clocking?
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Don't worry Steph:D Big Col and I until recently worked together so we're used to hurling abuse at each other on a regular basis;) It was I who told him to go and buy his mini after all:approve: So don't panic:D it is all fun and not too serious :p:D:approve:

Col - Having read through some of the discussion in this post:sleepy: I thought it might be worthwhile sharing something I learnt a few years back.

I went to a lecture by some leading linguist (I was accompanying a bit of totty:kiss: I was seeing at the time:I) and he said that there is strictly no right and wrong grammar, rather it’s more about what the majority of people use. Languages evolve, usually influenced by the media and methods of communication at the time.

My point being when Big G called for a vote:approve:, this was actually a very good way of establishing what is acceptable:D.

If people like you had your way we’d be all using ‘Ye Olde Worlde’ English. Time to move on Col:eek::blackeye:;)!

I don't think Col is looking for everyone, as you put it, to speak in Ye Olde Worlde english (or Scottish as the case may be), I think he just wants to speak proper if you ken what I mean like ken!! However, if we did 'move on', plebspeak, I fear, is the language that would go as the majority, as there appears to be far more plebs with their new language that cannae speak proper due to lack of people correcting them, and it DRIVES ME MAD:mad:, I think I'll stick with Col on this one (even though he did get his grammar wrong!;)), I'd rather peoples speaked proper ken like, than spoked like a pleb!!:p

Julz - Plebs have and always will speak like plebs just try talking to an inbred Aberdonnian! The lecture bloke actually covered 'The plebs' in his lecture, he said that they have very little influence on the language of educated people.

I agree with you on 'Chavspeak' it's awful and admire your patriotism but Scottish isn't a language :p unless of course your talking about Gaelic which I doubt.

Aye, and England doesn't mean the whole of Great Britain!!:evil: I'd rather say I spoke scottish than english any day!!:p:D And you might find this useful!!;)

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quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini

If people like you had your way we’d be all using ‘Ye Olde Worlde’ English. Time to move on Col:eek::blackeye:;)!

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So moving on means a lack of education??? Correct grammar is not old fashioned or out of date just because people are too lazy to use it or have not been taught it correctly in the first place. Note:I'm not meaning anyone here. My grammar corrections on here are a wind up and I'm not saying anyone here is stoopid (apart from Iain).

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quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini

but Scottish isn't a language

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It is actually.

http://scotsyett.com/default.asp
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/language/scots/
http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/ScotLit/ASLS/NoFrames/ScotLang2.html

Col - I stand corrected, Scottish is a language, my appologies!

Julz - Have a look at what Col's posted is that how you speak?;) You don't post on here like that:p

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quote:Originally posted by Big Col
So moving on means a lack of education??? Correct grammar is not old fashioned or out of date just because people are too lazy to use it or have not been taught it correctly in the first place. Note:I'm not meaning anyone here. My grammar corrections on here are a wind up and I'm not saying anyone here is stoopid (apart from Iain).

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Col - Read my post again, the point I made was that 'correct grammar' is an invalid statement. Grammar is a moving concept and it's driven by what is the acceptable norm for the educated. What you were taught at school is not 'correct grammar' rather what was acceptable at the time. Things do and have moved on.

Yes I know your winding people up:D and so am I:p, and yes Iain is a numpty;)!

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quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini

What you were taught at school is not 'correct grammar' rather what was acceptable at the time. Things do and have moved on.

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That explains why we think differently then seeing as Col and I are about the same age, and were therefore at school at about the same time, and you are so much older!!;):p:D

What in 8 years? I doubt it, but nice try sweetie ;)