RIP ROVER

[mainmini]

Tis a sad day:(

[sleepyrascal]

is it dead? I thought it was still hanging in the balance?

[sleepyrascal]

Its not dead just yet.... sounds like it will be soon though!

[Duncan Stewart]

Oh dear :(

[Scottie]

with the election around the corner the Goverment will bail them out.

But why should they afterall the directors have helped themselves to nice big fat pay packets and pensions.:p

If you have a look at the accounts published last year it's shocking
what they took out of that company.:eek:

[The Dogfather]

quote:Originally posted by ScottieCoop

with the election around the corner the Goverment will bail them out.

But why should they afterall the directors have helped themselves to nice big fat pay packets and pensions.:p

If you have a look at the accounts published last year it's shocking
what they took out of that company.:eek:


I doubt DTI will bail them out as they were heavily criticised when they helped out British Energy. Rover is a private company and will I'm afraid go under. The company should have been broken up and sold when BMW walked away.

[Scottie]

quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini


quote:Originally posted by ScottieCoop

with the election around the corner the Goverment will bail them out.

But why should they afterall the directors have helped themselves to nice big fat pay packets and pensions.:p

If you have a look at the accounts published last year it's shocking
what they took out of that company.:eek:




I doubt DTI will bail them out as they were heavily criticised when they helped out British Energy. Rover is a private company and will I'm afraid go under. The company should have been broken up and sold when BMW walked away.


they won't go under or rather the NAME won't I believe anyway.

some one will buy the company for a £1. I hope so anyway.

[minidriver#1]

Rover never embraced the future.

[The Dogfather]

Anyone buying the company for a £1 will also have to take on the pension scheme shortfall which I believe is £67m.

[Scottie]

quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini

Anyone buying the company for a £1 will also have to take on the pension scheme shortfall which I believe is £67m.


maybe but to a healthy sound large company £67m is a piff to pay for a Brand Name.

Whether you we think much of that name or not.:)

I can remember the days of the Rover TC etc not as classic but as new cars when you used to see them in the window of Rossleigh @ the Allan Park Stirling in the days when it was the upper class car.

[The Dogfather]

The British car industry entered a coma in the 70s with Leyland, it's been on a life support machine ever since.

[duncan]

quote:Originally posted by KJ_innit

Rover never embraced the future.


Word.

[lightbody]

Good potted history here about it - read both pages!

http://cars.msn.co.uk/CarNews/RoverApril2005/

This is telling:-


quote:In 1993 Rover Group, as it had become, and as a subsidiary of British Aerospace since 1988 (Rover’s ownership transferred with the aid of substantial government ‘sweeteners’, facilitated by Margaret Thatcher), was still Britain’s largest car manufacturer, building around half-a- million cars a year. It was our biggest car exporter, selling in 150 markets worldwide. It employed 33,000 people and it retained its 20 per cent ‘cross-shareholding’ with Honda’s UK manufacturing division. It was building the 200, 400, 600 and 800 ranges, the Metro, the Mini, the Maestro, Montego, Land Rover and Range Rover – and since October 1992 the MG RV8, a 3.9-litre V8-powered reincarnation of the classic MGB.

[I Want A Works]

Just a thought. The Pheonix group apparently paid BMW £10 for Rover when they bought it off of them.

I say that we all get together and try to convince BMW that they should sell us their MINI production for £15! You think that they'd go for it???? :D

[minidriver#1]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini

its a real shame, most other countries embrace their car manufacturing businesses the UK has just abandoned it!

coupled with the fact that most consumers will buy any old foreign rubbish as its a lot cheaper! - tax breaks should of been given a long time ago.

Sadly it looks like 20k plus jobs will go from Rover and associated industries, and the original mini will be in danger due to lack of avialable parts (i know this will please some!).

My thoughts go out to those who have lost their livelyhoods


You sound like a conservative, no offence, but that depends on whether or not your are or otherwise.

People buy foreign cars because they are better. The reason this site is here is because its for owners of a car built in Britian but created by a foreign company... but is one of the most popular cars around not just because of its style but because of the quality of the car itself.

Granted people buy cheap foreign cars because they are more affordable, but looking at a rover and then looking at a hyundai, i know which one i'd rather have, and its not British. If you want to help british industry, encourage foreign companies to embrace the quality skills of British labour; as British industry seems too incompetent... hardly the fault of the government or customer spending habbits.

As for car parts for original mini being in danger; independant component makers have been creating parts for the mini for years, i dont see this changing.

Of course i feel sorry for those people who will loose their jobs and those who will also feel the fallout from this, but its not over till the fat lady sings as they say, and even if it is, i'm sure they'll find employment in similar industry...

[Scottie]

ducks in e'mmmmmm ducks out and waits for KJ:p:D

great cause I'm bored @ work today:evil:

[Wul]

My tuppence worth:

"(i know this will please some!)" please don't encourage these kind of debates - theres enought of that cr@p elsewhere!!

"The management of Rover has been terrible - If Rover hadn't of sold out (again) and produced the MINI think they'd have a problem" - yes - I for one wouldn't have bought one! the track record of Rover for the last 10 years at least is full of failed cars and cr@p build quality in my opinion.

Having owned and driven Ford, VW, Vauxhall, Rover, MG, Audi, Peugeot, MINI, BMW, Fiat - the Rover (Metro) was probably one of the horriblest cars of the lot apart from the Fiat (128 and Punto) Yes the rover management let the company down - but opinions and reputations are hard to shake - where were they gonna fund the improvements in manufacture and build quality if they cannae sell the cars - the failure was rife throughout the company!

I am sad for the job losses - but it's not only the car industry the various governments have failed over the last 20 years - just ask the miners, dockyard workers, electrical manufacturers...and on and on!!

[Scottie]

Listen mark my words Ford will by the MG brand afterall they have bought up most other British Car Brand Names that have been trouble.

Look @ Aston Martin then LR.

[The Dogfather]

For once I support KJ! :eek:

Rover/Austin Rover hasn't built a decent car in over 30 years. All the cars became obsolete almost the moment the first one rolled off the production. Rover failed to innovate which would have allowed it to charge a premium for it's models instead it was left fighting for the cut price markets with Hyundai and the like, so no investment for new models. I for one will not be sorry to see it go, it was becoming an embarrassment to the UK.

You can't blame the government for this mess the company has been in private ownership for years. You can't expect the government to keep bailing out industries in which we are no longer competitive. It's far better to bite the bullet and let the workforce find another industry. There's currently a real shortage of qualified technicians in the oil industry and there will be a huge need for people in the Renewable and Nuclear industries in the near future, so the workforce will find work they might have to move though!

Hopefully the MG brand will stay untarnished by this mess and we just see an MG badged MX5 if Ford do decide to snap up the brand. You might even see a bid from Toyota or Honda.

[sleepyrascal]

I was sick in a rover when I was 4 . Never liked them since! :D:dead:

[lightbody]

Its rubbish to say all Rovers have been no good - my family have had something like 15 of them since the late 1980s and they were all more reliable than my 2001 MINI was!!

There have been many excellent Rovers in recent times.
The Rover Metro - 1990 on - was very highly praised by the respected motoring press "Best Small Car" said Autocar & What Car amongst others - i have the road tests to prove it and personal experience too.

The 1989 Rover 200/400 range was also very good, highly competitive and highly reliable - compare a 1989 Rover 214 with a 1989 Ford Escort to see the difference - again I have the roadtests with the Rover beating everything in its class - backed up by personal experience.

The 1995 Rover 200/25 model was an attractive modern car competing in the wrong class and at the wrong price - same goes for the 1994 Rover 400... downhill all the way from there!

Don't forget also that the current MINI was partly developed by Rover. I personally do not think it would be so unique and characterful if BMW had done it alone.

The MG-TF is still competitive - I do hope it can be saved - they have a very nifty coupe version on the backburners too.

[minidriver#1]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini
You sound very young, naive and have been looked after by mummy and daddy - no offence! He he i'm not a conservative, nor labour or lib dem theyre all the same as far as I am concerned, and I dont see what that has to do with the debate!

Any reasonable Adult will question the government

There used to be a time when people supported British Industry, as with anything else commercial this is led by demand.


"If you want to help british industry, encourage foreign companies to embrace the quality skills of British labour; as British industry seems too incompetent... hardly the fault of the government or customer spending habbits"

This is equally as sad, why should we be the grease monkeys? I would rather the profits stayed in the UK, a directly benefited our economy.

"of course i feel sorry for those people who will loose their jobs and those who will also feel the fallout from this, but its not over till the fat lady sings as they say, and even if it is, i'm sure they'll find employment in similar industry..."

A little naive dont you think? the whole area is supported by production at longbridge, think theres 20,000 spare jobs freely available??

My problem with government is that they dont support british industry the same way that the rest of Europe supports their industry. This has been in steady decline over the last few decades.

The management of Rover has been terrible - If Rover had'nt of sold out (again) and produced the MINI think they'd have a problem
"



I'm 25, and yes, i like to think of myself as young (and damn sexy), naive and well looked after by my parents. I'm sorry if you didnt share a similar upbringing, but dont blame that on Rover or the Government.

Let me get this clear, what is more important in this current situation, jobs or profit? If supporting Rover isnt commercially viable, why force the government to do so? where are your profits going if the company is spending £6.5 million a week on wages and other costs. Also whose £6.5 million is that the government has loaned to Rover, and will the government ever see it again? The answer to both those questions is 'ours' and 'no'. The only way to keep these skilled workmen in jobs is to encourage foreign investment in our economy. RBS are about to plunge £2.1 billion into the Bank of China which just happens to be in the worlds fastest growing economy; securing Chinese jobs as well as furthening the existing UK's workforce job security.

As for the 20,000 freely available jobs, in an ideal world yes, there would be, but there isnt, but these people are not doomed to unemployment for the rest of their lives, they will find work eventually. And it is sad that it has to come to this for those people.

[Burple]

quote:Originally posted by Wul

My tuppence worth:

"(i know this will please some!)" please don't encourage these kind of debates - theres enought of that cr@p elsewhere!!



Exactly what Wul said.
You'll find nobody on here that shallow. Most people have a new Mini because they have had or still have a Classic. They come to this Web based club because they share a love of the same thing, not as an excercise in hate or snobbery to other peoples decisions or ways of life. You won't find anyone on here making personally abusive comments about someone elses choice of car if they turn up to a run (unlike some Classic runs I have been on). Contrary to what a lot of narrow minded (and I have to say unfortunately, 90% are from south of the border) people think, Most people with New Minis who turn up to events are genuinely enthusiasts, and are NOT there to show off or try to prove they're better. If anyone truns up to one of our runs in a Classic, they'll be shown PROPER hospitality from real grown ups :p:D

sheesh... anyway.. back on topic...
Yeah.. rover have built some fantastically crap cars, and if we didn't have such a pathetic Government (and by that I mean every one of them as far back as I can remember) who aren't all consumed by lining their own pockets, then things might have been different...

I think it's probably fair to say that it appears that most polititians seem to have been bullied at school, or had abusive childhoods, Government is just their petty Power-Trip revenge - Like pulling the wings off flies on a larger scale! :p:p;);):D:D

[Burple]

quote:Originally posted by sleepyrascal

I was sick in a rover when I was 4 . Never liked them since! :D:dead:


lol :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Think I was the same in my dad's old Beige Maestro ;):D:dead:

[minidriver#1]

ooo an anarchist^^

[Burple]

quote:
and if Wul and Low_and_loud want to base their contribution to the argument on only 6 words that i said, thats pretty poor


But it was the vital 6 word spiteful (how it came across to me anyway - that's the downside of internet forums - you can't gauge the inflection made on converstaions, huh? ;)) generalisation that New Mini owners would love to see the demise of the old Classic...
That simply isn't true.
And unless this has suddenly changed to www.NewPoliticsScotland, then I wasn't contributing to any argument of a political nature, merely backin gup Wul's point that this really is not the place to make such implications and generalisations about anyone because of the car they own..

Which might make me question your motives for the thread... Really your beliefs? or are you just trawling for a jolly good old fashioned Flame-War?
;);):D

Isn't the Intarweb such jolly good fun? ;):D:D:clown::clown::clown::clown::D

[minidriver#1]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini

I just thought i'd make a completely blind generalisation about you, that had nothing to do with the thread as you did to me!

I do have serious concerns about collaborating with countries with such a disgusting human rights record! - If Rover is so unviable why did the chinese want to buy it in the first place?


and if Wul and Low_and_loud want to base their contribution to the argument on only 6 words that i said, thats pretty poor



Lol. oh wait, as disgusting a human rights record as Britain had during their occupation of Indian soil? Maybe you have a point...

As for the Chinese wanting to buy it in the first place, they aren't now are they... i guess they finally realised what a sh*t hole they'd be buying.

[Wul]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini

I just thought i'd make a completely blind generalisation about you, that had nothing to do with the thread as you did to me!

I do have serious concerns about collaborating with countries with such a disgusting human rights record! - If Rover is so unviable why did the chinese want to buy it in the first place?


and if Wul and Low_and_loud want to base their contribution to the argument on only 6 words that i said, thats pretty poor



I think you'll find i made at least two different contributions to this debate mainmini.

And lets review your 6 words in their full context then!
"Sadly it looks like 20k plus jobs will go from Rover and associated industries, and the original mini will be in danger due to lack of avialable parts (i know this will please some!)."

I simply made a request not to encourage the already rampant arguments regarding new MINI vs Original Mini - I don't know anyone on this site or anywhere else for that matter who owns a new MINI and would be glad to see the back of the original. So my question to you would be why include such a throw away comment in your post - I do not see how it supports any of the points you make - some of which are valid - if not to try and cause a debate/argument on the subject?

[Wul]

Mainmini - are you replying to my post or other posts above?

[GAJ]

Yawn!:sleepy: If you ignore them they might go away!:disapprove:

[Wul]

If it is my post then can you please clarify how I have "attacked" you in this thread - as far as I can see - you've posted your opinions, I also have posted my opinions and made a simple request not to encourage the new MINI vs Original argument which I believe is a completely different subject to the demise of Rover.

And in my first post on here I acknowldged the loss of jobs!!

[Burple]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini

I know there are some people who would TBH, I fail to see why I've been the subject of attack on this thread when others have labled Rover 'crap' etc, do you not think this is a kick in the teeth for those who have lost their livelyhoods etc? and referring to Longbridge as a sh*t hole??


Yes.. I totally agree with that point. it's shameful that so many people should lose their jobs through general mis-management and lack of vision.
The "attack" as merely a reaction on my part to a percieved pretty rash generalisation based on snobbery, which a lot of us have experienced first hand. All my comments on this subject have been made in good humour dontcha know... that's what :D:p these are for...

And for the closure of Longbridge? Truly a tragedy for the history of the British car industry, the Mini in particular. So.. KJ, I'll have to kick you in the nuts too.. :p

Anything else is purely my point of view, and if you don't like it....?


yer can <insert humourous comment presenting visual image of person in question having pesonal intimate and degrading contact with my very own nether regions> :p:p:D:D:D:D

but if you're Big Col... you can just kiss ma swingers! ;););):D:D:D

[Wul]

Well he's been hiding since June 2004 ;)

[Wul]

Yup - that's me!! :I;)

[GAJ]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini


quote:Originally posted by Wul

Well he's been hiding since June 2004 ;)

Sexist as well!:D

Making an assumption as to your sex isn't sexist Debbie. Wul had no way of knowing your sex as you have chosen to remain anonymous in your profile.

[The Dogfather]

quote:Originally posted by lightbody

Its rubbish to say all Rovers have been no good - my family have had something like 15 of them since the late 1980s and they were all more reliable than my 2001 MINI was!!
Your experiences aren't the norm, I had a 1991 Rover Metro 1.4GS required 2 wheel bearing, a master brake cylinder, flywheel and an electric window motor all in the space of 6 months (car was 12 months old) thank god I took out the extended warranty.

quote: There have been many excellent Rovers in recent times.
The Rover Metro - 1990 on - was very highly praised by the respected motoring press "Best Small Car" said Autocar & What Car amongst others - i have the road tests to prove it and personal experience too.
Quite right it was a great car for about 6 months but it was soon outclassed by VW Polo and others. However if Rover had built it with a new body shell instead of the original Metros it would have lasted.

quote: The 1989 Rover 200/400 range was also very good, highly competitive and highly reliable - compare a 1989 Rover 214 with a 1989 Ford Escort to see the difference - again I have the roadtests with the Rover beating everything in its class - backed up by personal experience.
This again was outclassed by the 1990 Citroen ZX, 306 amongst others.

quote: The 1995 Rover 200/25 model was an attractive modern car competing in the wrong class and at the wrong price - same goes for the 1994 Rover 400... downhill all the way from there!

Agreed. Both the latest 200 and 400 were excellent cars (at the time)but Rover (under BMW management) tried to charge too much for cars that weren't as well put together as rivals.

quote:
Don't forget also that the current MINI was partly developed by Rover. I personally do not think it would be so unique and characterful if BMW had done it alone.
Personnally I reckon BMW would have built a far better car without Rover's input. Rover designed in faults/rattles which BMW are gradually ironing out. Wait until the new new MINI, that'll be the real test.

quote:The MG-TF is still competitive - I do hope it can be saved - they have a very nifty coupe version on the backburners too.

The TF sells well but isn't a patch on the MX5 or MR2 in any department.

[broken_brian]

just as a small point about rover going belly up. It will not affect parts supply as brittish motor heritage have the rights for most of the parts for the mini and various other brittish classic cars and are manufacturing them. when the mini finaly went out of production B M H got all of the presses and jigs for buliding the various parts and are able to build full shell and subframes as weel as various other parts so getting parts for minis will not be a problem for quite some years.

Here is their web-site

http://www.bmh-ltd.com/

[Duncan Stewart]

Does slagging off Rover (or any other car makers) products really helps this debate?
But If you want my experience of Rovers
- Helen had 3 Metros from new and only had one problem (electronic ignition module) but would not buy a Rover now as she now sees them as "grandads cars" :eek: Is there an image problem then?
- Two of my mates run Rover 25 TDs which are great cars, in my opinion, although one had some rough running problems

[Duncan Stewart]

quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini

Personnally I reckon BMW would have built a far better car without Rover's input. Rover designed in faults/rattles which BMW are gradually ironing out.
I this really a sensible comment Paul? or is it just inflaming the Rover Mini / BMW Mini debate :disapprove:

[minidriver#1]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini


quote:Originally posted by Wul

Well he's been hiding since June 2004 ;)


Sexist as well!:D


are you from dundee by any chance?

[The Dogfather]

Duncan S - Not trying to inflame just pointing out some of the failings of Rover cars.

Can't remember where I heard it, but the current dashboard (the source of numerous rattles in my MINI) is to be replaced with a single piece unit, Rover was responsible for the design of the current dash this was critisised by BMW as being a failing of the current car.

[Duncan Stewart]

quote:Originally posted by bad dog mini

Can't remember where I heard it, but the current dashboard (the source of numerous rattles in my MINI) is to be replaced with a single piece unit, Rover was responsible for the design of the current dash this was critisised by BMW as being a failing of the current car.

I stand corrected :clown:;) (but my dash don't rattle - stir, stir :p)
Rover may have built unreliable, rust boxes as Minis but I love em to bits :D:I:cool: so get a little defensive.
I even quite fancy an old metro as a cheap run around to keep the miles of my Minis (I'm getting even more weird now ;)) just trying to get the sums to add up to make economic sense but the fact my 40K miles, 2 year old Mini is worth £1K to £2K less than a 20K miles, two year Mini old makes you think! :eek:

[sleepyrascal]

[/quote]
I even quite fancy an old metro as a cheap run around to keep the miles of my Minis
[/quote]

You could take it on a run so everyone can laugh at you!!:D:D

Metros are made to be laughed at!! They even sound funny!!

Sorry to all Metro owners out there.... or is Duncan the only one!?!

Sorry bud, i'm done slagging, you go get that Metro and drive it with pride!:D;)

[minidriver#1]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini

To clarify my posts

I'm feeling a little defensive too, I've got friends who have lost their jobs, and comments about Rover being sh*t hurt them and hence me, and not all the parts for the mini will continue to be available BMH do thankfully produce a lot of parts but not all by any means.

I made one comment about SOME people being happy about this fact which sadly has overshadowed the debate, and the kind of assumptions and treatment afforded to me by the likes of KJ Innit, who is purposly trying to upset and has little interest in an informed discussion (confirm my feelings).

The sexist thing was a joke btw I did put a smiley up in my defence!



I never insulted you. Why would i purposely insult? you couldnt anser a single one of my arguments, and avoided most of what i said. Rover failed. how can you defend that? And did i not say i was sorry that so many people were on the brink of loosing their jobs? read through the thread again, lady.

If anyone said Rover were sh*t its because its the company thats sh*t, not the regular workforce. Those people that sit at the top and feed themselves off whatever profit they got and gave themselves fat pay checks. Those are the people you and your mates should be pissed off at, not me. I'm just a consumer for crying out loud.

And for you information, when i came to buy a car, it was a tie between the MG ZR, Ford Focus and the Mini.

[mainmini]

thanks for clarification KJ, still think your an arsehole tho sorry! you've been completely unsympathetic in your posts calling rover crap and longbridge a sh*t hole etc etc

I really cant be bothered tbh.

This was never an attack on the MINI, or anything else and i'm bored of defending myself in every thread i post in, i've tried to join in and be part of the gang but theres always someone on this forum waiting and willing to put others down! There are lots of very nice people also, and i appreciate anyone who is wiliing to spend their own time building and maintaining a club.

I'm not being bitter or bitchy if i wanted to do that i'd e-mail this thread out to the MG/Rover Clubs mailing list and include your registration number.

May NMS be a great success i'd never deny people the pleasure of driving what they want and the ability to be proud of it

[G2 - S]

I've had 2 Rover metro's in my time and I had no complaints. They did their job - cheap, reliable & practical. I now own a 2005 MGZR 2.0TD and its a great car. Rovers do get a an old man type image but it doesn't change the fact that the MG brand worked and rovers were cheap to buy & run, reliable & practical. Rovers will be missed. I hate rivalry between owners of different manufacturers. It's immature & pointless.

I say - LONG LIVE MG ROVER!

[minidriver#1]

quote:Originally posted by mainmini

thanks for clarification KJ, still think your an arsehole tho sorry! you've been completely unsympathetic in your posts calling rover crap and longbridge a sh*t hole etc etc

I really cant be bothered tbh.

This was never an attack on the MINI, or anything else and i'm bored of defending myself in every thread i post in, i've tried to join in and be part of the gang but theres always someone on this forum waiting and willing to put others down! There are lots of very nice people also, and i appreciate anyone who is wiliing to spend their own time building and maintaining a club.

I'm not being bitter or bitchy if i wanted to do that i'd e-mail this thread out to the MG/Rover Clubs mailing list and include your registration number.

May NMS be a great success i'd never deny people the pleasure of driving what they want and the ability to be proud of it


Your thoughts on my personality have no effect on the size of my ego. :D If you'd given out my number, you'd be hearing from my lawyers for comprimising my security, and just to note, i'd go to whatever lengths necessary to protect that, including posting your nekid pics on the web :evil:

Oh and another thing ever since i could remember i've always wanted a classic mini and still do. In fact members on this will testify to my desire in buying a classic mini and have been active in sourcing a good one. As for Longbridge being a sh*t hole, it is a sh*thole, the thing is flushing MILLIONS down the toilet while the bosses live it up. The unions should have cottoned onto this in 2000 when it was sold off by BMW. Me calling Longbridge a sh*t hole doesnt mean i'm saying those innocent workers deserve to be made redundant. Your ignorant in even thinking that. TBH i hope that they can some how come up and create their own independant car company and start from fresh again and learn from the mistakes of those that led them to this situation, and it IS a terrible situation.

And anyway, MG Rover still exists, so whats with the topic heading? Are you just looking for sympathy or are you going to go out there with your friends and family and protest and actually try and do something constructive?

You just cant win with women :blackeye:;)

And if i'm the only one thats made you feel you have to leave this site then i'm sorry, but that wasnt my intention. This is possibly the first thread on here that i've ever come across in an aggressive manner.

Oh and mods, where the feck are you? how come i've not been censored yet? get out yer golfs and yer scoobies! :D:blackeye:

[GAJ]

quote:Originally posted by KJ_innit
Oh and mods, where the feck are you? how come i've not been censored yet? get out yer golfs and yer scoobies! :D:blackeye:

Several of your posts in recent days have been moderated, in this and other threads, it's just that you haven't noticed. I've resisted a more heavy handed approach as I always hope that people are sensible enough to know what is and what is not acceptable. If you think someone is a numpty, ignore them. Flaming doesn't do anyone any favours. I notice that someone has deleted the majority of their previous posts, guilty conscience perhaps.:question: However they are stilll available in the backups!;)

[minidriver#1]

sorry for giving you extra work :'(

[GAJ]

It was a pleasure! ;)

[Duncan Stewart]

quote:Originally posted by sleepyrascal


Metros are made to be laughed at!! They even sound funny!!
You could take it on a run so everyone can laugh at you!!:D:D


Now I like that idea :cool::D:p
See if you lot in the Minis could keep up ;):eek::D

[Duncan Stewart]

quote:Originally posted by G2 - S

I now own a 2005 MGZR 2.0TD and its a great car.

A MGZR 2.0TD was what I was suggested Helen should replace her Fiesta with but not now :(

[duncan]

I wouldn't laugh at the Metro 6R4.

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cambs.mgoc/images2/6r4.jpg

Now that looks like fun!

[Wul]

Needs it's dampers looked at tho if it's bouncing about like that!! :p

Funny thing tho - people may delete their own posts but they still appear in the quotes on others posts :I

[minidriver#1]

who has been deleting their posts? eh eh eh ?

[jamesp]

I agree with Mr KJ Innet - I have visited Longbridge back in 1993, and to be honest it was left wondering how on earth the factory made any money - My abiding memory was the gearbox plant where a sound proof box was used for locating any problems. A young chap was sitting listening to each gearbox and spotting any faults, whilst he did this he was reading a porno mag!

[Burple]

quote: I notice that someone has deleted the majority of their previous posts, guilty conscience perhaps.:question: However they are stilll available in the backups!;)


I did notice this.. but I didn't want to say anything in case it was you omniscient mods tidying up!! :I:p
So why delete all your posts except for the last one proclaiming your innocence and "Woe is me, I'm being treated terribly by these awful aggressive people" attitude:question::question:
(Haven't seen anyone else taking to their heels after a bit of banter!);):D:p

Jeez, if you're gonna start a thread like this at least have the conviction to stand by your posts and what you say..

..or if it's a Flame War you want.. get your butt over to the 'Fight Thread'!! ;);):D:D:D:D:blackeye::blackeye::blackeye::blackey e::blackeye::D:D

[Wul]

Crikey! She's even deleted her posts in the Chavmobile thread!! :clown:

[GAJ]

http://www.insensible.co.uk/jagermonsters/uploads/rover.jpg

[lightbody]

Another perspective on the Rover fiasco:-

http://www.roblightbody.com/bits/rover_china.jpg

[duncan]

It's all going to be ok 'cos the Government has announced there will be an Inquiry into Rovers Finances.

Better get the Calcium Hydroxide looked out then.

[weefossy]

Dear All, Mom says get a life or you'll all end up with ulcers.:D:D I say, I have had

6 original minis
1 Austin 1275 GT
6 Morris Marina 1.3 Coupes’
1 Austin Metro
1 Morris Maestro
1 Rover 214i
1 Rover 216 Vandam Plas
1 MG Montego Turbo
1 Montego Countryman (6 seats)

and I always wanted an Austin Princess, but never got promoted quickly enough, before they replaced it. :mad:

I also helped run Scot Prov's car fleet (all British Leyland) during the days of Red Robbo and at one time lived less than a mile from the Longbridge plant. I have also been made redundant. What's all this leading to......nothing, because life’s too short to get all worked up.
Favorite story is about one of the Morris Marina’s, which leaked so badly that had to drill holes through the rubber mats to let the water run out. Fleet manager wasn’t too pleased, but it stopped me getting wet feet.:D;):evil:

Gaj,thought the "over" post was sharp:cool:

[GAJ]

quote:Originally posted by weefossy
Favorite story is about one of the Morris Marina’s, which leaked so badly that had to drill holes through the rubber mats to let the water run out.

I did the same thing in a Cortina I used to have to save me having to bail out the footwells when it rained! Brutal but effective!

[duncan]

quote:Originally posted by weefossy

and I always wanted an Austin Princess, but never got promoted quickly enough, before they replaced it. :mad:



My dad had one of these! COM416V, and it was nice and Orange :D

Great car!

[lightbody]

My dad had an Orange Princess2 1.7HL too! PGE 442V - we called it big orange. It was superb. Huge inside. But the steering was so heavy my Mum could only go on generally straight roads...

[GAJ]

My mate had one too, 'The Wedge' it was affectionality known as, it was maroon with a vinyl roof! They were massive inside, your right.:) Although it wasn't the fastest car in the world, I remember him getting from Edinburgh to Manchester Airport in a remarkably short time with my mates passport in about 1989 or 1990. We were going to Ibiza to see the Happy Mondays but that's another story!:clown::eek:

[Big Gordy]

My dad used to sell Austin/Morris/MG for a living back in the 70's:I so he always had different models home with him. To be honest they were no better or worse than anything else available at the time:blackeye: (his words not mine:)) I remember he had a purple/black vinyl roof 1800 TC Marina Jubilee home one night and the throttle screw decided to unscrew itself coming down a hill:eek: Only way he could stop was to switch the engine off:p I also remember a bright yellow one. Those were colours you didn't see much back then:I :p:D:approve: