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ELFMAN
10th December 2004, 06:19 AM
Did anyone see the recent "Evo" article on the new 210bhp "Works" 'S'?

I was intereseted in the "Works" Suspension Kit fitted to the test car, which Evo were very pleased with. They stated the price was £800 - £900 fitted depending on the MINI model, Wheel & Tyre combo etc. It's non-adjustable and lowers the car by 10mm. The price is pretty high to say the least, but as it's BMW fitted and fully warrantied, I enquired about it at my local dealer (Douglas Park MINI, Hamilton).

Turns out what you'd presume was a fitted KIT for your £800 is only for the DAMPERS. SPRINGS are EXTRA (!) at another £200+, bringing the total cost to £1060.00 for a non-adjustable set-up. So whereas £800 was right at the very edge of the 'silly money envelope', over a grand is just taking the p*$$.

I contacted John Cooper Garages, who told me it was definitely a kit with Springs and Dampers, and sure enough is advertised as such in the "Works" brochure (dealer supplied), so I don't think Cooper are "at it". They supply to BMW at a price, and BMW supply to us - at a higher price. That's business I suppose. A tuner I contacted reckoned the "Works" kit was possibly of Bilstein and Eibach origin. Work out the mark-up for yourselves. So whoever quoted the price to "Evo" was wrong. Don't believe everything you read, even in reputable magazines.

This is, in my opinion, another example what is basically a 'MINI Tuning Monopoly' which BMW exercise if you want to hang on to your TLC and Warranty. Peace of mind is one thing, but getting your wallet or purse kicked in for the priviledge is out of order :mad:.

There are plenty of excellent tuners out there, but the warranty issue must put lots of MINI owners off, and make them pay extra by going down the "Works" route. OK, doing something 'stupid' (V8 conversion, 4x4 chassis etc) to your car should invalidate the warranty, but sensible modifications using reputable tuners and parts should be met with a little more understanding. You also risk not being able to trade your MINI in to your BMW dealer as it's been "modified" and has to be returned to standard spec. Worth thinking about.

All the "Works" bits are rigorously tested, but so are the products of companies such as Bilstein or Koni etc. If you want to fit a Bilstein shocks and Eibach springs instead of "Works" suspension, should you have to choose to either lose the TLC/Warranty and jeopardise a trade-in or pay twice the money? I don't think you should. Rant over :D.

Scottie
10th December 2004, 06:25 AM
SPAX supply the JCW kit. If you look at the SPAX add in GO MINI they advertise this.

ELFMAN
11th December 2004, 05:45 AM
Cheers ScottieCoop! I'll go check it out.

Well..... Ad says JCW are "SPAX specialists"* - ie, they'll supply/fit SPAX. (*So are Moss Europe).

Doesn't say that the JCW kit IS SPAX. Can't see JCW/BMW going along with that, as who'd buy their "official" kit at that huge price if you can just buy the same from SPAX for much less? I doubt JCW/BMW would allow them to advertise the fact.

When he asked them, BMW wouldn't tell their own Parts guy the make of the dampers & springs for that very reason. So I can't see it being that obvious. Sorry!

MartinSullivan
11th December 2004, 07:46 PM
The works suspension on Redpoints Rally car is basically a Spax coilover setup

MartinSullivan
11th December 2004, 08:24 PM
JCW Suspension Flyer (http://motoringfile.com/files/JCWSUSPENSIONKIT.pdf)

Mini Me
11th December 2004, 10:00 PM
Cool brochure,and the carbon fibre roof spoiler is cool as fu.....really smart:p

ELFMAN
12th December 2004, 04:53 AM
Thanks for the info, Martin. Couldn't download the JCW Suspension Flyer, due to an "internal error" - probably a 'Mac' thing. Why is life so complicated?

Scottie
13th December 2004, 08:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by ELFMAN

Cheers ScottieCoop! I'll go check it out.

Well..... Ad says JCW are "SPAX specialists"* - ie, they'll supply/fit SPAX. (*So are Moss Europe).

Doesn't say that the JCW kit IS SPAX. Can't see JCW/BMW going along with that, as who'd buy their "official" kit at that huge price if you can just buy the same from SPAX for much less? I doubt JCW/BMW would allow them to advertise the fact.

When he asked them, BMW wouldn't tell their own Parts guy the make of the dampers & springs for that very reason. So I can't see it being that obvious. Sorry!


Suppose it's a bit like the JCW seats they are made by Sparco.

Maybe BMW/John Cooper design the suspension and Spax make them with JCW logo.:question:

MartinSullivan
13th December 2004, 05:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by ScottieCoop
Suppose it's a bit like the JCW seats they are made by Sparco.

Maybe BMW/John Cooper design the suspension and Spax make them with JCW logo.:question:


Yeah Fiona I think thats exactly how it works - the spec maybe slightly different to the stock Spax part