Gp3 confirmation

[M600-RKJ]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-goodwood-festival-speed/mini-teases-2020-john-cooper-works-gp-more-300bhp

Long awaited, and thankfully from the 3 teaser images the looks are far tamer than the concept

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[CiderFex]

I’m sorry but there’s no way that rear spoiler will be allowed on European roads. It’d slice chunks out of a pedestrian if you hit one with that on the car.
If they’ve banned the Camaro ZL1 1LE because of these wee canards...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/2e3e343ea04dda06b9972117acc2b1ab.jpg
...I personally think that it’s gonna have to have a major redesign to be allowed on the roads.


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[M600-RKJ]

Isnt there a big rule about front end protrusions though. Because there are plenty cars on our roads with wings with potential decapitating abilities.

All the Porsche gt cars
M4 GTS,dtm
Jag project 8
Merc c63 AMG black

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[M600-RKJ]

If they can allow this I'm sure they would get away with the gp3 winghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/724ff3abd8edffa600c4530044ac3bba.jpg

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[CiderFex]

Yeah, it’s stupid what is/isn’t allowed.
Maybe the Camaro was banned because Merc/BMW/AUDI complained about it and didn’t want a Yank motor spanking their arses on the tracks.
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[MINI William]

Certainly nice teaser photos. So far so good

[MINI William]

Also more details HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/02/12/official-300-hp-jcw-gp-in-2020/)

[CiderFex]

I wonder why they’ve gone against the previous 2000 units for the GP 1 & 2 and upped it to 3000 units for the GP3 ?
I can only guess that they just know that they’ll sell them all...


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[Mon the fish]

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If Ferrari can get away with the splitter on the TdF, then I imagine the GP can have something similar although I'd bet good money it'll be toned down a lot from the concept - I'm thinking the daft extensions above the rear wheels for starters.

Also I doubt there'll be a manual option, just the way things are sadly to a confirmed luddite like me who enjoys using their left leg whilst driving. Very very few mass-market performance cars with a proper manual these days, seems consumers don't want them :frown:

[MINI William]

Also note the subtle change to the GP logo

[DigitalLemming]

I presume this is going to use the same engine as what they've got planned for the 300hp Clubbie/Countryman then - in which case does that mean its confirmed to be an auto box only?

[MINI William]

I would assume it’s going to be an auto

[M600-RKJ]

Bit boring but I'm intrigued by the wheel arches. They look like forged carbon but that would be a disgustingly expensive material to use so the only thing that would have that sort of pattern would be a recycled plastic

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[M600-RKJ]

Will I be crucified for saying it looks like they have finally give the gp a nice set of alloys

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[badwolf340]

Rear arch looks interesting

[MINI William]

Arches certainly look interesting, not sure I like it. I liked the thought of an extended plastic arch but was never a fan of the concept arches. Look at bit stuck on.

[Eddie_JCW]

I love the rear wing but the arches don't do anything for me, I've noticed they're toned down a lot but they look half finished now. The front arches look like they don't fit.

[MINI William]

Not w fan of of the wing at all. But I’ve said that since the concept

[M600-RKJ]

When you see that picture of the car head on I cant help but see this sort of image when someone tries to make a body kit out of cardboard https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/863cf1d5cef4518e5fc844762ae6f058.jpg

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[M600-RKJ]

I dont know why they couldn't have fit just a clean version of the challenge arches.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/c37768f7bddbea2f5adafc7b5a992248.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/f1d1370e818d510f259607c6b7d137ab.jpg

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[Magoo]

Like the alloys, back end looks fine but I do not like the look of the clothes horse spoiler lol it could be better in the flesh so I’ll reserve judgment, at least I could dry clothes quicker :p wee spin round the block lol

[MINI William]

I dont know why they couldn't have fit just a clean version of the challenge arches.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/c37768f7bddbea2f5adafc7b5a992248.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/f1d1370e818d510f259607c6b7d137ab.jpg

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These where the arches I was looking for. If you look at the black test moule we seen a few months back the arches where better.

[M600-RKJ]

These where the arches I was looking for. If you look at the black test moule we seen a few months back the arches where better.There is a guy over in the USA who got in contact with mini challenge and was able to get a spoiler so I'm sure you would be able to buy the arches fairly easily

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[M600-RKJ]

Yeah I see what you mean William the front arches are a bit flared the rear arches look standardhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190213/c635c5eacbbc613ec05fe2ad3ec2cd69.jpg

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[CiderFex]

I’m personally very intrigued to what these are.
At first glance they look like side exhaust ports, but they would only be of any use on a mid-engined car, and they are only stuck to the rear side window.
Are these just fake “boy racer” add ons to make it look like it’s mid-engined ?
Plus on the Concept artwork they are on the left hand side of the car and on the real car they are on the right side.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/d7efd801f69de7045157a5be87beceb6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/5838a909dd5ef4da6d9037989e4aca6a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/46228c0c19f7c18df8d07d62be6cb642.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/b631c59a56de5d98584e01e27cefbf8a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/47166021c280c0b019ed7b32f8b0b787.jpg


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[marchutch]

I think they are designed to look like the fuel fillers you get in motorsport Pete. Obviously that’s nonsense as there’s no way the car is going to have an in cabin fuel tank, but that’s the way car design is going - concepts and production vehicles!


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[CiderFex]

I’m always confused about this:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/1c076e3a6b8dcee8e4393abb38e52f21.jpgIf part of the side skirt is attached to the door, how does it open ?
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[marchutch]

You can see the panel gap in that picture Pete. Lots of supercars have quite wide sills - my guess is something similar has been done here?


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[CiderFex]

You can see the panel gap in that picture Pete. Lots of supercars have quite wide sills - my guess is something similar has been done here?


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I understand that but it’s impossible for that door to open due to the angle of the gap.
It would need to be angled the other way for the door to be openable.


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[MINI William]

I understand that but it’s impossible for that door to open due to the angle of the gap.
It would need to be angled the other way for the door to be openable.


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Its only a concept. It doesn’t need to open :laugh:

[marchutch]

I can’t see the problem you’re referring to. Looks like it would work fine to me.


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Looks like they work, or they just faked them being open for a picture?

[M600-RKJ]

I’m always confused about this:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/1c076e3a6b8dcee8e4393abb38e52f21.jpgIf part of the side skirt is attached to the door, how does it open ?
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Sent from Yorkshire wi a hint o’ sarcasm.I see what you mean Pete it you opened the door you would be ripping off your side extensions.

Although with all the other racecar parts like centre lock wheels, a fuel feed and air extractor, fire extinguisher. Maybe they have gone full racecar and the doors are just for show you actually need to climb in through the window nascar/dukes of hazard style

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[marchutch]

In this high res photo, you can see where the seam continues into the outer trim panel I think?

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[M600-RKJ]

Ah yeah on the digital image it looks like the cut is at an angle its actually just straight up and downhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/b925c928a8075acf4fd9bbc9e3c1ab9c.jpg

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[MINI William]

There is a guy over in the USA who got in contact with mini challenge and was able to get a spoiler so I'm sure you would be able to buy the arches fairly easily

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RK Designs do the arches Mark

[M600-RKJ]

RK Designs do the arches Mark1800 + shipping is quite a lot for what you get

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[MINI William]

1800 + shipping is quite a lot for what you get

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It sure is

[CiderFex]

Ah yeah on the digital image it looks like the cut is at an angle its actually just straight up and downhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190214/b925c928a8075acf4fd9bbc9e3c1ab9c.jpg

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Ta Mark, that now makes sense.
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[Track Ali]

Pre-order forms are now out.

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[CiderFex]

That Petrol Ped bloke on YouTube ordered his in person last week.


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[goggs]

Received the following from Cotswold Mini earlier today

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190327/52e4c3592f39f0b7168504457f221389.jpg


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[Mon the fish]

I assume this is 4wd?

[Mon the fish]

FWD driveline tech has fairly come along, I remember 200bhp being mentioned as the max to put through the front wheels and various torque-steering monsters.

Be good to keep the weight down with FWD

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[M600-RKJ]

Maybe they have used carbon fibre to offset the weight of a 4wd system. As much as it would bout of character for the GP I have always thought a mini road going rally car would be quite cool. And you could build it to be an absolute monster like some of the golf R turbo S1s

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[DigitalLemming]

I’m sure this’ll excite those that have placed a pre order: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/04/2020-mini-jcw-gp-with-300hp-caught-in-production-form/

Some clear photos at last of the new car.

A few things I've spotted:

New front splitters and diffuser
New grill to match LCI clubman
GP Badge on front and rear
Both front vents (where fog lights are) appear to be open
New rear diffuser and bumper
Different exhaust
Has the new LCD instrument cluster
No rear wiper

[M600-RKJ]

Properly impressed with that tbh.

Looks properly aggressive. Also love the embossed gp logo in the spoiler like the mk3 rs

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[CiderFex]

Those front disks are HUGE !!!
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I still honestly can not see the final production cars being allowed on the roads with those “cheese slicer” aero bits on the sides though.


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[DigitalLemming]

The wrap is great, possibly my favourite part. Having fun picking out the various race tracks


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[M600-RKJ]

Definite paddles. Tbh I'd be surprised if it doesnt come out as an auto. Especially with all of the performance bmws moving to paddle shift. Like the 140 and 240 which they stopper offering as manualshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190408/e4736cc388abcbbb1e518557ad0b079e.jpg

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[MINI William]

Some angles I see the car and I really like it and others I’m not so keen. I think it being auto was a given

[MINI William]

Also may just be the light but the wingmirrors look different

[Ehjack]

In my opinion I think it looks hideous lol. The spoiler just doesn't go with it and the pointless aero looks like it had a crash through a Halfords factory.

The wrap is probably the best part [emoji23]

[MINI William]

What I find disappointing is with all the aero on the car they would appear to be leaving the standard side skirts. This has been a bug bear of mine on the JCW as well as I just don’t think they are aggressive enough

[Laura JCW]

Some angles I see the car and I really like it and others I’m not so keen.

I agree William. I like the front and the back but really not keen on the side of the car because of the flared wheel arches. Maybe I’ll grow to like them lol A lot of people don’t seem to like the spoiler but I really like it! I think it looks unique and just downright badass!

[M600-RKJ]

I really like the spoiler. I love a BGW on a mini. To me it looks a bit like the original MINI wrc concept winghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/9836a4ff32734a7baf2e9de7434bdfdb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/39aa7bd408e891c2e514d116b33ab34a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/7fd8989cb54a1728ad2ddd1083992171.jpg

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[CiderFex]

It intrigues me how it looks like they’ve wrapped part of the front grille:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/ee17b4a8322b110678bd4ddbbac03425.jpg
Also the top inner edge of the front grille looks a tad “unfinished” as well.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/214fc884d057d75b2307fad97f5fa5eb.jpg
It also seems strange that they haven’t yet attempted to incorporate some form of front splitter across the bottom leading edge.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/d72502135dd3427eba4013f8e14b51cc.jpg
The bottom of the rear end is a huge disappointment in my opinion and should have an updated style of GP2 diffuser fitted to make it look more “aggressive and track focused”.


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[Mon the fish]

Whoever buys one and then takes it to shows its really going to have their work cut out cleaning between the rear arch extension and the actual wing itself [emoji23]

It would drive me absolutely nuts

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[DigitalLemming]

So as you do on a Sunday night, noseying on realoem, spotted part no. 11 which looks new: https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=XR92-EUR-02-2018-F56-Mini-JCW&diagId=03_1827

Possibly a hint for the GP...

https://www.baum-bmwshop24.de/mini-carbon-griffleiste-f55-f56-f57/

[MINI William]

Can’t beat a bit carbon

[Ehjack]

Gp spied at nurburgring

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=DciVb5D1H54

[DigitalLemming]

As they appear to be testing a non GP with some bits (parts bin special anyone) then at least that appears to confirm the ugly wing is a standard fit and can be replaced.

Exhaust note was deeper than standard but hard to tell from a recording at distance.

[MINI William]

Doesn’t sound bad but definitely an auto for anyone who had doubts

[MINI William]

Is it just me or does the black car seem to be going a little bit harder

[MINI William]

The mirrors seem to be the same as what’s on the LCI Clubman

[nobbyclark]

Yep, it's an auto. And very loud.

[M600-RKJ]

I wondered if the part in the video where the rear is quite loose if that was then testing the gp traction mode

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[Mon the fish]

The stickered one is running enough negative camber at the back to tame any oversteer I would have thought

[MINI William]

Some interior pics

HERE (https://www.motor1.com/news/346315/mini-cooper-jcw-gp-interior-spied/)

[MINI William]

The interior looks very disappointing and hopefully only due to it being a test car

[M600-RKJ]

The interior looks very disappointing and hopefully only due to it being a test carI'd be very shocked if the gp didnt get a dash retrim, bespoke seats and some new dash fascias

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[Ehjack]

Surely that's just for testing because it's the exact same as any standard car except from different seats and a digital dash lol

[MINI William]

The bit I find disappointing is the standard seats. They appear to be the same as the JCW seats that are available now. I wasn’t expecting trims to be on show in the picture but was expecting a better seat

[nobbyclark]

Nothing wrong with the current JCW seats, but... heated seats and satnav?. I thought the GP model was supposed to be stripped back, light, raw, hard core. This looks exactly the same as my current car but with a loud exhaust and more power. At least it looks like they will be introducing the new digital dash on the GP3. At this rate, I think I'll be going down the tuning route on my own car rather than bunging £35-40k on a new one.

[MINI William]

Nothing wrong with the current JCW seats, but... heated seats and satnav?. I thought the GP model was supposed to be stripped back, light, raw, hard core. This looks exactly the same as my current car but with a loud exhaust and more power. At least it looks like they will be introducing the new digital dash on the GP3. At this rate, I think I'll be going down the tuning route on my own car rather than bunging £35-40k on a new one.

All GP’s have had heated seats along with a lounge style recaro rather than a seat that goes along with the ethos that MINI try to portray for the GP. I’m unsure why I excepted anything else.

MINI no longer offer the option to not have the visual boost screen

[CiderFex]

Nothing wrong with the current JCW seats, but... heated seats and satnav?. I thought the GP model was supposed to be stripped back, light, raw, hard core. This looks exactly the same as my current car but with a loud exhaust and more power. At least it looks like they will be introducing the new digital dash on the GP3. At this rate, I think I'll be going down the tuning route on my own car rather than bunging £35-40k on a new one.

Yeah, it’s always baffled me as well.
The GP1 did not have a rear wiper to save a couple of kg in weight. They then slapped two 25kg Recaros in the front !!!
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[Ehjack]

Yeah, it’s always baffled me as well.
The GP1 did not have a rear wiper to save a couple of kg in weight. They then slapped two 25kg Recaros in the front !!!
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Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.Well they definitely aren't caring about weight saving by putting an auto inside [emoji23]

[CiderFex]

Well they definitely aren't caring about weight saving by putting an auto inside [emoji23]

That’s the way that all manufacturers are going sadly.
As of this year AUDI will not be selling one single manual model in America. It’ll be the same here in a few years...


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[Ehjack]

That’s the way that all manufacturers are going sadly.
As of this year AUDI will not be selling one single manual model in America. It’ll be the same here in a few years...


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.Yeah and I can understand why they are doing it.

Just a shame because in my opinion nothing is more engaging than a mini with a manual [emoji106]

Better keep hold of mine as it might be worth a fortune in years to come [emoji16]

[MINI William]

There is yellow camo on the wingmirror in the picture which isn’t the black car and not the test car with the red track camo. I would say it’s one of the test cars we seen earlier in the year. These pictures could have been getting sat on for a while. I’m not fussed about not seeing a different dash or alcantara wheel at is point but was hoping for a nice seat

[CiderFex]

...plus if you’re gonna sell a small two seater for my guesstimated price of around £40k it does need to be something VERY special to warrant folks wanting to part with their pennies.


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[nobbyclark]

And in my opinion it needs to be the fastest Mini in the range. With the new Clubman and CMan JCW having near 5-sec 0-60s, the GP3 is going to have to overcome some in-house challenges, especially if it is FWD.

[Mon the fish]

£48k for a Megane!? There's a whole heap of stuff I'd rather spend £50k on than that...

I hope the GP3 is everything that it should be, but it'll sell regardless. Anything Ltd Ed and folk will buy - take the WC50 for example, AFAIK mechanically it was a standard JCW. And quite a bit dearer as well - but Ltd Ed so sold

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[M600-RKJ]

£48k for a Megane!? There's a whole heap of stuff I'd rather spend £50k on than that...

I hope the GP3 is everything that it should be, but it'll sell regardless. Anything Ltd Ed and folk will buy - take the WC50 for example, AFAIK mechanically it was a standard JCW. And quite a bit dearer as well - but Ltd Ed so sold

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[MINI William]

Factory tours are stopped Wednesday and Thursday this week as they are building a handful of GP’s.

[MINI William]

Also there was 2 F56 JCWs on display at MINI at Home one with Hankooks that Ali spotted at the Ring and one with brakes that match threes spotted running on the GP test cars

[MINI William]

New testing video up CLICK (https://youtu.be/Qd-xgV1726Y)

[nobbyclark]

Sounds great too. More like an original Mini Cooper S.

[M600-RKJ]

Someone managed to get a pic of the gp3 dash with the official ring lap time
7:56.69https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190622/b0f8548a0bfa3a45370f886052a32000.jpg

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[M600-RKJ]

What is the next fastest supermini. There arent that many small cars that have 230bhp+ did they ever realise an official time.for the f56 jcw

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[MINI William]

More pictures and information about the car HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/06/22/the-2020-mini-jcw-gp-is-making-its-first-public-appearance-this-weekend/)

[DigitalLemming]

Official press release, nice wee video and photos towards the bottom https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0297265EN/warm-up-on-the-nordschleife:-the-new-mini-john-cooper-works-gp

[M600-RKJ]

Beginning to wonder if the side panels are actually for aero at all or are they there just so they could give the car a wider stance with the wider tyres and I presume wider wheels as well.

Looking at the spoiler it looks very flat there doesnt seem to be any curve to it so is it just a spoiler and not actually a wing.

Also from the some of the underneath shots the floor doesnt seem to be as flat as other minis or especially the gp2.

The fact the gp3 diffuser is just a balance as well. Make me wonder if all of the parts on the car are just rice

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[M600-RKJ]

The wing could aid with stability

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[TheGreenOne]

Not sure if it has been mentioned previously, but (the dealer who sold me my JCW says) the GP3 will be unveiled during the Goodwood festival.

I appreciate that the Ring time will be mentioned as this car's outstanding development achievement, nonetheless, both Megane RS and Civic T-R are both much faster anyway, so why care?

But, I do like that wing (then again, I like the Type R).

[nobbyclark]

Goodwood video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXL1TSRhvPs
Not much of it on the track and doesn't reveal anything new as far as I can tell.

[badwolf340]

The more I see the less I like

[Stewart]

TGE - I watched his clip a few days ago. I follow Tim (Schmee) Mr JWW and Sam from (seen through glass) for my Car porn oh and That mad Norwegian Guy Tesla Bjorn :thumbs up: But this Guy TGE with his now couple of millions worth of Cars I only watch when like he has access to something a bit special example his new GP3 he has in order. Petrol Ped has one on order too but at least he knows what he’s buying.

If the guy says “ Complete chaos“ one more time in his clips.:frown::frown:

[M600-RKJ]

I'm totally disillusioned by the gp now. It doesnt really seemed to have moved the mini game forward. And there is still no mention of an LSD

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[CiderFex]

Reading the review post on FB today about it I just can’t believe that there’s no adjustment on the suspension.
As the guy said the GP3 is £5K more than the Challenge was, albeit with 70bhp more, but the Challenge was obviously more useable on track days and not just a fashion accessory.


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[CiderFex]

I’m also still VERY surprised about those side “wings”.
If the powers that be in Europe will not allow new cars to have canards, due to them being a risk of cutting folks feet off in a accident, how the hell are they allowing huge leg slicers on the GP3 ?
Plus how are you suppose to reach the bodywork behind them properly to clean, polish and wax it ?


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[badwolf340]

I'm totally disillusioned by the gp now. It doesnt really seemed to have moved the mini game forward. And there is still no mention of an LSD

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Mark it does have a mechanical LSD as per the Clubman and Countryman with the 306bhp engine

[Archie]

Maybe I was very naive in expecting the car to look similar to the concept, but I just can’t get excited about the looks of the GP3 as it has been shown at Goodwood.
Unless there is a final reveal and they have been sandbagging thus far, I think I’ll be getting my deposit back.

[badwolf340]

Maybe I was very naive in expecting the car to look similar to the concept, but I just can’t get excited about the looks of the GP3 as it has been shown at Goodwood.
Unless there is a final reveal and they have been sandbagging thus far, I think I’ll be getting my deposit back.
The only thing that will change will be the camo removal

[M600-RKJ]

Yeah mini have all but confirmed that this is the final form of the gp. The final colour was also visible in the door shuts its looks like a dark blue slate metallic. I think its gunna be a nice colour. Not sure how well it will play with the red though

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[M600-RKJ]

The colour looks quite similar to high class grey. A deep grey with a blue tinthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190707/e8d6126eb0565ab9c0a0c7f0b808bd55.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190707/2f5e6474cc1e68078cc7c8daab54c6f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190707/0f98074b870cf5173f6278b9a329c674.jpg

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[Twisterboy]

Am I the only person that likes the Camo?? :p:p

Defo agree the interior does look a bit bland.

Davy

[MINI William]

The interior in both the previous GPs has been a bit disappointing. I was hoping that MINI would have learned from this for the 3rd incarnation but sadly not.

[TheGreenOne]

Am I the only one who is mildly disappointed with the latest GP3? I like the wing, power increase and the fitted torsen diff, but that's about it. I feel like there's a bit of a drama missing, given, there's has been no driving reviews yet.

In my head I was hoping for something more like this:

https://youtu.be/ZZRMzOg_oEY

[Mon the fish]

There is something very strange about the fact a road car has bizarre aero parts that a race car doesn't (the add-ons to the sides)

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[Twisterboy]

I think it has been overhyped by Mini and from reading various social media pages People are disappointed with how it looks now, its not as hardcore as the concept but it still looks the business with that rear wing, agree with Ali about the Autobox I would have wanted a manual, but seems to be the way to go is Autobox nowadays.

Davy

[TheGreenOne]

The new m135i seems to have a lot of reviews coming out today. I found the one by carwow quite interesting, for a couple of reasons: 1. does the new GP3 get the same 306 hp engine? 2. 8 speed auto (by Aisin rather than the old ZF) presumably gets fitted to the GP3? I appreciate the mini will be FWD with much less weight, but the engine-gearbox gets quite mixed reviews.

https://youtu.be/oBI8iBOWwHQ

[M600-RKJ]

The car will not produce downforce so that big wing is just for show as I thought.

Good to see though that they dont seem.to be settling for 7.56

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[M600-RKJ]

Although I think they'll.have a hard job getting closer to the fk8. I dont think the chassis is long enough to give the stability the fk8 has through the flat out sections

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[CiderFex]

Although I think they'll.have a hard job getting closer to the fk8. I dont think the chassis is long enough to give the stability the fk8 has through the flat out sections

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That’ll all depend on whether or not the aero bits are actually designed for the intended purpose or are just for show.
At 120 and above you can actually feel the back end of a GP1 get more stable and planted the faster you go. I have only done it the once but at 140 and above it is THE most stable car that I’ve ever driven at that kind of speed.

...theoretically speaking of course.
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[M600-RKJ]

That’ll all depend on whether or not the aero bits are actually designed for the intended purpose or are just for show.
At 120 and above you can actually feel the back end of a GP1 get more stable and planted the faster you go. I have only done it the once but at 140 and above it is THE most stable car that I’ve ever driven at that kind of speed.

...theoretically speaking of course.
[emoji12]


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.It says in the article they werent interested in sticking the car to the ground like gp1 and 2

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[CiderFex]

It says in the article they werent interested in sticking the car to the ground like gp1 and 2

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Why on earth wouldn’t they be interested if they already know how to do so ?
That seems like a very lazy, and easy, way to design a performance car in the 21st Century.
As you all know my mechanical knowledge of cars is limited but even I know that aero is a very big part of getting higher performance from any design of car.


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[CiderFex]

I remember reading somewhere years ago that the GP1 rear spoiler created around 180kg of downforce at v-max. At this speed the right to left curve of the spoiler disappeared due to the spoiler ended up being dead flat with the pressure of the air resistance. This was the main reason that the spoiler was made from carbon fibre. It was one of the only materials available that would cope with the high stress levels but also had enough flexibility so that it would not snap with the high pressures involved.
The aero package on the GP1 was so specific that it would not reach v-max unless the car still had the four small covers fitted into the jacking points to level them off with the plastic undertray.
I’m sorry but I can’t find the links to the articles due to it being about 7 years ago that I originally looked into it.


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[M600-RKJ]

I've been going off the mini promo photos but also the photos people took while at goodwood.

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[MINI William]

Another bit about the GP including the digital dash that I think is a bit disappointing in not being fully digital. HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/08/15/video-2020-mini-jcw-gp/)

[matsarm]

Another bit about the GP including the digital dash that I think is a bit disappointing in not being fully digital. HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/08/15/video-2020-mini-jcw-gp/)

Yeah, I feel that looks a bit ‘half-done’. I get the idea of wanting to keep an analogue rev counter because it’s ‘more sporty’ but it looks a little cheap in the photo. Hopefully it looks better in real life.

[matsarm]

Hopefully it has lots of personalisation options on how you can set it up. I would think that’s part of the point of a digital dash.

My Dad’s slightly old-tech beige Jaguar even has customisation on the dash so surely MINI can [emoji1696]

[CiderFex]

It definitely looks a bit “cobbled together” with the mix of analogue and digital and is nowhere near as good looking as a full blown BMW digital dash.
Personally I’ve always thought that a rev counter was one of the most important instruments in a fast road car and not something to just be added onto the side of other instruments.
It also looks the it could seriously do with some form of a hood to shade it from bright sunlight looking at the pic in that link !!!
[emoji15]
Does the new engine not rev as high as the older versions ?
I only ask due to fact that the number 8 is completely missing from the rev counter with it only having 7 as the highest number.
This would suggest that it’ll only rev to 6,500 rpm.

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[Mon the fish]

It definitely looks a bit “cobbled together” with the mix of analogue and digital and is nowhere near as good looking as a full blown BMW digital dash.
Personally I’ve always thought that a rev counter was one of the most important instruments in a fast road car and not something to just be added onto the side of other instruments.
It also looks the it could seriously do with some form of a hood to shade it from bright sunlight looking at the pic in that link !!!
[emoji15]
Does the new engine not rev as high as the older versions ?
I only ask due to fact that the number 8 is completely missing from the rev counter with it only having 7 as the highest number.
This would suggest that it’ll only rev to 6,500 rpm.

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What does the current JCW rev to? Most turbo engines are done and dusted by 6500 so that would seem normal to me

[CiderFex]

What does the current JCW rev to? Most turbo engines are done and dusted by 6500 so that would seem normal to me

D’oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
lol
It’s just looks more aesthetically pleasing to have an 8 on the dial as opposed to just a 7.
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[Mon the fish]

Just watched the video, and is this the first car to have a fuel gauge the same size as the rev counter!?

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[CiderFex]

Just watched the video, and is this the first car to have a fuel gauge the same size as the rev counter!?

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I think that the F cars are a very similar design.
Edit: Well, the idea is the same.
8083

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[Stewart]

Must be the first GP I’ve actually disliked. I’d be looking at the new Clubman JCW thinking that’s a nice bit of kit over the GP that to me is just trying too hard. The display cluster just looks so flat and bland and doesn’t make you think I’m sitting in something a bit special. I’m sure it will have some nice touches only reserved for the GP. Sad they seem to have dropped the whole number thing. Not that I even owned one but I thought it was a nice wee touch if only a bit of fun. 3000 to be built with MINI upping the limited run by another 1000 from previous models must feel there is the demand. Six months later I expect to see a good few on the lot like the R series GP seemed to have done.

Wish they’d dropped the Camo Wrap for the Californian Sun as it will look so much better in its signature colour and who’s not seen this. Yes it may have more power etc but I still think the original will be regarded as the best simply because of the drama and noise it made. The old whine of the engine as if it wanted to suck the world in and spit it back out.

[EcosseGP]

Am I the only one that’s not too excited about the GP3 ...

Having owned the GP1 when the GP2 was released I was excited to see how it would turn out compared with the original.

Even the GP2 was hyped up but at the time but I don’t think it failed to capture folks attention and have people wanting the car for what it was. Yes they missed a trick not keeping the same numbering ethos and then tried to rescue that, certainly in America with folk asking what number they could give the car.

I’ll admit that I had my name down for a GP3 but after seeing things develop bit by bit, and maybe what I thought was coming with the F series GP, it hasn’t excited me one bit and tbh I’ve lost interest in it. Looking at the bits that are being drip fed about what it will or won’t have I think they are diluting the whole excitement of the car. I don’t think the wheels suit the car and looking at the rear spoiler now they are trying way too hard. The first and second generation GP’s had a spoiler that was big enough to attract attention yet be subtle enough with it. I’m not sure this is the case with the GP3.

Having seen the photos of the speedo like others have said why have digital everything but a needle for the Rev counter. Correct me if I’m wrong but even the Astra GTE in its day had a full digital speedo.

Maybe when it comes out and it can be seen as a full package and in the flesh it might be different I’ll change my mind but until then I’m unconvinced that the GP3 is going to be the “current” ultimate MINI.

Sometimes less is more and I think that should have been the case from the outset with the GP1. I’m sure I’m not alone in saying all the extras (air con, electric windows, heated seats, etc) should have been removed or kept to a minimum for added weight loss. I think that the Mitsubishi Evo and Honda Integra were the only cars I can think of that attempted to go down this route ... did it cost them any buyers ? I don’t think so ...






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[nobbyclark]

Had my name down too but have now cancelled. Have pre-ordered an electric Mini instead, which is the complete opposite.

[MINI William]

Looks like the GP has broken cover before it’s official launch.
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[Eddie_JCW]

That's atrocious!! Those arches and that front end [emoji2961]

The colour is nice (minus the red bits) but it's not a special colour, look at every other hot hatch (with the exception of a few I can't think of) but they're available in a wild colour which is part of owning such a car its meant to be wild and special this isn't.

[CiderFex]

I agree with Eddie regarding the arches. They are just ridiculous additions that cheapen the overall look of the car. I’d like to know just how expensive they’d be to replace when some muppet decides to snap a corner off one of them in a car park.
[emoji15]
I also still can not believe that it has no proper rear diffuser as well. The rear diffuser looked gorgeous on the GP2 and the back end of the GP3 just looks boring and “normal”.
I know that the 2 previous GP’s had slightly boring colours but I do agree that on a car that’s supposed to be a bit mental and track focussed should really stand out from the crowd.
For me the GP3 has become more and more disappointing as it’s progressed.
Each to their own though...


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[Mon the fish]

The colour might really pop when clean, dry and shiny - there's some purple in it which I'm looking forward to seeing properly.

But agree with the looks - not nice, and the extensions look even worse even though we knew they were going to be fitted

[nobbyclark]

I like the wheels and the black filler cap. That's about it. Expect to see a lot of negative press about those finger-shredding arches.

[M600-RKJ]

I'm not as disappointed by as I once was. And I'm not gunna lie I think the car look like a little weapon. But I do with the designers had got with a subtler way of widening the car.

To me the aero looks a lot more dtm than btcc. I like the fact the current btcc cars are all just exaggerated road cars they still look like an astra or a corolla. The dtm cars are balls to the wall aero porn and you look what car you are actually looking at the cars could be anything with a badge slapped on and that what nascar is for.

I dont think it's going to win any beauty contest but I'm sure its gunna go down the road like stink.

It seems odd that the gp was spotted in the uk on Friday and saturday with full yellow and black camo and then they've gone and left one out in a carpark.

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[M600-RKJ]

And I had a good walk around mini pant oxford on friday and I couldn't see the camo car anywhere

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[Mon the fish]

Other numberplates look to be M which means Munchen auf Deutsch

[MINI William]

Weird that the car is RHD.

[Laura JCW]

Well I have to say that I love the colour and think it’s stunning!!! Although it’s grey it’s got hints of purple/blue and I am glad they stuck to the traditional GP colours. I think if they brought it out in vibrant colours it would cheapen it and it would just look like any typical hot hatch which I don’t think it does. Still not liking the arches but I am hoping they grow on me and agree with Ali hopefully they put more graphics on it.

[Eddie_JCW]

I think if they brought it out in vibrant colours it would cheapen it and it would just look like any typical hot hatch which I don’t think it does.

You're right Laura it doesn't look like any typical hot hatch, it looks boring in comparison. MINI won't be able to give these away. As for cheapen it... I think the arches and the front end have accomplished this in my opinion.

[CiderFex]

I’m in full agreement with Eddie on this one. They’ve not even given it the now traditional GP Chilli Red mirror caps either.
The more I see it, the more I honestly do think that it’s just a fashion accessory and is a blatant cash grab.
With the GP1 & 2 all of the pre-release talk was about how it would handle and how much people were looking forward to driving it. 90% of the ore-release talk about the GP3 is just about the looks.
Most people who have stumped up the deposit just seem to be bothered about owning one and not actually using it...




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[goggs]

I really want to like it, but I struggle, my first taste of the mini was the F56 JCW which felt like a special wee car indeed, I’ve never owned a GP but have always felt they were something very very special in the line up of that mk

This however looks like it’s driven through a cheaper version of Halfords and collected all the bolt on bits no other car would dare have ! I really don’t like the arch extensions, a poor attempt to add width to the car, proper wide arches would have looked soooo much better [emoji3525]

Maybe I’ll like one in the metal

I do quite like the colour and would love to see it polished up in a decent bit of sunshine


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[MINI William]

I’ll admit I like it, I was never a fan of the arches on the concept or the test cars. I also see that a lot of people are saying they don’t like the car but loved the arches and wing on the concept which have pretty much been carried over to the final car.

I like that MINI have stuck to a fairly recognisable GP colour scheme, bar the mirror caps that is an easy fix.

Im eager to see the final specs of the car and think it could be quite interesting.

[Magoo]

I like it more than I thought I would, wasn’t sure when I seen the concept pictures but kept an open mind, the great thing about mini is every car is slightly different based on each persons likes and dislikes so I’m sure there will be some variations on everyone’s. At 306bhp it’s a hot hatch with more power than a Megane RS and about the same as a Civic Type R

[Ehjack]

I won't say I hate it until I've seen it in person, but going from those photos it's not great in my opinion. It does look like a standard JCW with some glued on parts from alibaba. I actually prefer it with the camo wrap...

You're going to need to buy a lot of back to black trim gel to keep all those arches from fading!! [emoji85][emoji85] I thought trying to keep mine nice and black was tough, but oh boy that looks like a detailers nightmare!

[matsarm]

To me it looks much better than I thought it would. I actually don’t mind the arches and think the colour combination works really well. I think the purple tinge to the paint will look amazing and quite unique in the sun.

Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh.

[DigitalLemming]

Nice to finally see it without the camo wrap, and while I have reservations about the arches I do think it’s a good looking car and I suspect the paint might look really nice with the sun on it. I like that MINI have kept a few nods back to the previous incarnations but haven’t let that stop them from doing something a bit different.

I remember seeing the concept photos for the first time and being sure the final version would be nothing like it (in true concept style), but to see the final version has kept a lot of the same elements is really nice. Strange to see so many who liked the concept then don’t like this when it’s essentially a real world version of what MINI showed us.

A lot of owners have been asking for a 300hp, 3 door hatch MINI for a while now and finally they’ve listened, can’t wait for a ride in one.

[Eddie_JCW]

I said I liked it as it was... it looks nothing like the concept, the concept was a proper stripped out track car, it also wasn't just a JCW bodykit with crap arches. The arches on the concept although not totally my cup of tea, fitted in better as they worked in conjunction with the front and rear bumpers and weren't a half arsed attempt.

[CiderFex]

This article says that most of the parts are standard JCW items with some having just a few small tweaks.
This comes from a bloke who owns a GP2 and actually had a good look around, and then drove, the GP3.
He makes a great point by saying that the Challenge is the much better of the two, as a drivers car, due to the adjustability of it.
I’d take the specifically designed tyres part of it with a pinch of salt though because that decision is always based on which tyre manufacturer offers the best deal at the time.


https://drivetribe.com/p/the-new-mini-gp3-will-it-be-an-KpupaoASS7Og_t5syQlQKA?iid=BQ7Ml9XXRv26NKKt21gw4Q


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[Twisterboy]

Please can they keep camo wrap as a colour :thumbs up:

I think it's going to be a marmite car, my only complaint is the cut out where the fuel cap meets the arch, shame they could not have moved the fuel cap a bit higher.

Davy

[badwolf340]

What MINI have achieved by leaking a few pics is nothing short of genius,like or loathe it ,it’s what every MINI club,group or other form of platform is talking about ,when was the last time that happened.
To the person in BMW/MIN ...I doth my cap .

[CiderFex]

What MINI have achieved by leaking a few pics is nothing short of genius,like or loathe it ,it’s what every MINI club,group or other form of platform is talking about ,when was the last time that happened.
To the person in BMW/MIN ...I doth my cap .

I completely agree. As I’ve said on FB those pics were taken in a BMW/MINI compound so they haven’t been leaked by a random passerby. I just hope that MINI are reading the posts on various MINI FB groups because from what I can see well o’er 90% of people commenting are saying that they either hate it, or think it’s just a joke, and is nowhere near the car it needs to be for a best in class car.
The GP3 was a huge opportunity to design and build a stunning car. After what they created with the Challenge they have gone backwards by miles in my opinion.


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[M600-RKJ]

I completely agree. As I’ve said on FB those pics were taken in a BMW/MINI compound so they haven’t been leaked by a random passerby. I just hope that MINI are reading the posts on various MINI FB groups because from what I can see well o’er 90% of people commenting are saying that they either hate it, or think it’s just a joke, and is nowhere near the car it needs to be for a best in class car.
The GP3 was a huge opportunity to design and build a stunning car. After what they created with the Challenge they have gone backwards by miles in my opinion.


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.I sort of see where you and the others are coming from Pete but I think it's unfair to call the car a joke. It's a 300bhp supermini with a diff and functional aero.

Its gunna be an absolute weapon on a back road and its gunna be more than capable on track.

The challenge argument doesnt really stand imo. The challenge was a bare bone enthusiast drivers car that isn't and never had been what the gp is. The gp is meant to be the best mini you can buy.

The gp1 got a boost in power some nice recaros, off the shelf suspension, a cool spoiler and came originally on run flats if I'm not mistaken

The gp2 got a minor boost in power some nice recaros, terrible bilstien suspension that was too harsh, a cool spoiler and lasted 5 minutes, it did at least get decent tyres

The gp3 has got a considerable boost in power, nice recaros, suspension mini has guaranteed will last, functional aero, an lsd, bespoke tyres, a cool spoiler and all of the latest digital dash and infotainment screens.

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[CiderFex]

The gp1 got a boost in power some nice recaros, off the shelf suspension, a cool spoiler and came originally on run flats if I'm mistaken.
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It also came with a true limited edition ethos, no parts specifically made for the GP1 were available for any other MINI. Even the colour was unique and was never made available on any other models. That cool spoiler does create 90kg of downforce so it wasn’t just for looks.


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[M600-RKJ]

It also came with a true limited ethos, no parts specifically made for the GP1 were available for any other MINI. Even the colour was unique. That cool spoiler does create 90kg of downforce so it wasn’t just for looks.


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.So the gp3 is more of a gp than the gp2 then other than the seats what does this gp3 share with a normal jcw

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[Mon the fish]

No-one is buying this for rational reasons - at road speeds the aero will make barely enough difference to feel the effects.

Pure numbers mean nothing for a car like this. It's about how it makes you feel.

This car will be bought because it appeals on an irrational, emotive basis. Sadly it doesn't appeal to me

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[CiderFex]

Whether it’s more of a GP than the GP2 will only be found out if MINI decide to sell the GP3 parts to the masses eventually. The suspension is pretty much stock apart from stiffer springs and dampers. Not having specific GP3 Seats is a huge mistake in my opinion.
It seems to be that MINI have finally realised that people do mod their cars and are leaving it up to the customers to truly make it into a proper track focussed car.
Re: my “it’s a joke” comment. Have you not read most of the derogatory comments on FB ?
Yeah, it’s very easy for those to be dismissed as jealously but I personally just do not think that they are.
I do personally think it is a joke but that’s my own opinion. Some like it and that’s their choice as well.
If the stunning Challenge could be made as only 54 units (I think) then it would be much easier, and cheaper, to make 3000 units that are truly special. Sadly that has not been done.


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[matsarm]

I sort of see where you and the others are coming from Pete but I think it's unfair to call the car a joke. It's a 300bhp supermini with a diff and functional aero.

Its gunna be an absolute weapon on a back road and its gunna be more than capable on track.

The challenge argument doesnt really stand imo. The challenge was a bare bone enthusiast drivers car that isn't and never had been what the gp is. The gp is meant to be the best mini you can buy.

The gp1 got a boost in power some nice recaros, off the shelf suspension, a cool spoiler and came originally on run flats if I'm not mistaken

The gp2 got a minor boost in power some nice recaros, terrible bilstien suspension that was too harsh, a cool spoiler and lasted 5 minutes, it did at least get decent tyres

The gp3 has got a considerable boost in power, nice recaros, suspension mini has guaranteed will last, functional aero, an lsd, bespoke tyres, a cool spoiler and all of the latest digital dash and infotainment screens.

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I think you sum it up quite well here, Mark. I don’t think it’s fair to compare it to the Challenge as they’re two very different cars with two very different focuses.

The Challenge did nothing for me as I don’t really care about setting up my own suspension etc. or having a bare bones car focussed for the track. The GP has a completely different aim and to me is hitting that perfectly due to the fact everyone is talking about it... you may hate it, but I’d hazard a guess that it will be one of the best MINIs out there to drive on the road. Which is where most people will drive it most of the time.

[M600-RKJ]

I think you sum it up quite well here, Mark. I don’t think it’s fair to compare it to the Challenge as they’re two very different cars with two very different focuses.

The Challenge did nothing for me as I don’t really care about setting up my own suspension etc. or having a bare bones car focussed for the track. The GP has a completely different aim and to me is hitting that perfectly due to the fact everyone is talking about it... you may hate it, but I’d hazard a guess that it will be one of the best MINIs out there to drive on the road. Which is where most people will drive it most of the time.The upside of owning 1 would be that you dont have to see it most of the time. Everyone else has to look at it.

Hahahaha jk Ali

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[CiderFex]

The upside of owning 1 would be that you dont have to see it most of the time. Everyone else has to look at it.

Hahahaha jk Ali

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[Ehjack]

The GP is supposed to be track focused yet they put possibly (in my opinion) the worst auto gearbox made. Not only is it automatic, but the fact there is delays in changing up and down gears (even ms) is enough to hinder track times.

Hopefully the gearbox which is currently on the JCW countryman/clubman is tweaked before the gp releases otherwise it's a major disappointment.

[Mon the fish]

In terms of suspension specs then - nothing fully confirmed from Mini themselves them?

Bloody hell this has been the longest dragged - out launch ever [emoji23]

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[M600-RKJ]

The 2 systems dont have to be independent eddie. If the car can detect or predict slip before it occurs. Then applying a brake would cause the diff to lock even sooner making it more effective.

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[M600-RKJ]

In terms of suspension specs then - nothing fully confirmed from Mini themselves them?

Bloody hell this has been the longest dragged - out launch ever [emoji23]

Sent from my SM-P605 using TapatalkI think all that has been confirmed suspension wise is that it will have tweaked jcw suspension and that it will be mini suspension rather than buying in suspension like the gp2 did.

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[Eddie_JCW]

The 2 systems dont have to be independent eddie. If the car can detect or predict slip before it occurs. Then applying a brake would cause the diff to lock even sooner making it more effective.

Sent from my SM-N960F using TapatalkIs there any examples of this in a road car?
I'm not saying you couldn't Mark just doesn't seem like something a manufacturer would do. Also theres no mention anywhere of it having an LSD.

[Mon the fish]

I dunno, model-specific tyres just sounds like a way to charge £££ when you burn through a set [emoji23]

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[M600-RKJ]

Is there any examples of this in a road car?
I'm not saying you couldn't Mark just doesn't seem like something a manufacturer would do. Also theres no mention anywhere of it having an LSD.Volkswagen performance pack gtis have a mechanical LSD with an E diff

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[EcosseGP]

Well I’m not too sure what to say about all this. I will agree that it’ll sell because it’s a limited edition car. These things always sell that’s why they do it. Will folk buy it for the reason it’s the “best” MINI produced I doubt it. I certainly will reserve judgement until I’ve been in one a bit like I did with my GP1.

Going on looks alone and what I’ve read I’m certainly not impressed with it. It looks ‘tacky’ for sure wether that was meant or not then who knows. I can see people adding the extra arch extensions to other F models ... it certainly wouldn’t be me.

The spoiler at the back looks terrible for some reason, especially given the fact MINI did so well with the GP1 spoiler, but again that will appeal to those that want something different to add to their F series car. I agree with Andrew it’s disappointing that they haven’t added a rear diffuser given that it’s now a common upgrade on the F series.

Specific tyres ? Why bother ... they’ll be a small few that will replace like for like tyres everyone else will go with what they prefer or have preferred over the years.

A 300 bhp MINI in manual form ... I’m sure there’s plenty of those kicking about at the moment in the F series range. Just check FB every day and someone is getting one mapped. Had they pushed the boat out to 350bhp then folk might have sat up and listened.

I on this occasion are with the minority on here by the sounds of it at the moment and don’t like it. They’ve removed the “GP” stamps from previous models and on this occasion I think they’ve got it wrong.




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[CiderFex]

I wonder why they’ve covered up the red GP inserts on the side of the rear wing ?


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[Ehjack]

Found this on a Facebook group:


For GP owners and MINI fans with an interest in the new GP, I have more information about the GP3.

The price for the street spec is around 46,5K EUR (without BPM, but with local 21% VAT). The race spec is around EUR 2-2.5K lower. The race spec does not have the full climate control, no 8.8 inch display, standard radio, alarm and is therefore lighter. Dealer margin is 6% and the importer wants to sell the cars without a discount. So keep that in mind when you start negotiating! Dealers can now sign up orders for the car.

However, we all know 3000 pieces is too much and those things will, just like with the GP2, catch dust on the dealer floor. Don't take No for an answer when they don't offer you a discount. Just negotiate well ...

Introduction is by the end of November, deliveries from March 2020. Soon more from my side with regards to this car!

[CiderFex]

That’s the first I’ve heard of two versions but IF it’s true it wouldn’t be a shock.
I am very sceptical about the info but you never know...
The quoted prices equals £40,563 and £38,808 at today’s rate which I personally think will lead to the increase in those that have already cancelled their order.
The original did have the single option of with/without a/c but I don’t know of a single GP that did not have the a/c fitted.

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[M600-RKJ]

That’s the first I’ve heard of two versions but IF it’s true it wouldn’t be a shock.
The quoted price = £40,563 at today’s rate which I personally think will lead to the increase in those that have already cancelled their order.


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.I think the £40k mark has been getting thrown around for a while so I dont think that should be much of a shock to those who placed serious orders

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[M600-RKJ]

Although from all the facebook comments I'm sure I've seen close to 3000 people say they have cancelled their order so I think some people are telling porkies.

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[CiderFex]

Although from all the facebook comments I'm sure I've seen close to 3000 people say they have cancelled their order so I think some people are telling porkies.

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I’ve said for ages that it’d be a £40K car.
I did cancel my order but does it count if I cancelled it before I actually placed it ?
[emoji23]


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[M600-RKJ]

I’ve said for ages that it’d be a £40K car.
I did cancel my order but does it count if I cancelled it before I actually placed it ?
[emoji23]


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.Hahahaha.

Seems to be what most people have done

Yep I cancelled the order of the idea of me placing an order.

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[CiderFex]

Hahahaha.

Seems to be what most people have done

Yep I cancelled the order of the idea of me placing an order.

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[emoji23]


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[CiderFex]

“IF” the info is genuine it does make some sort of sense.
For those who pay cash for their cars a £40K+ price tag for a MINI may seem just too much whereas £38K may seem more reasonable.


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[MINI William]

I don’t think they are doing it, if 2 specs is true, to have an expensive GP and a poverty spec are but more for those that will use their car daily and those that will use theirs as more of a toy, hence the track spec.

[Mon the fish]

The idea of 2 specs seems reasonable, after all Renault have done it for years with The Cup option.

But a 'Cup' spec jars massively with an autobox IMO

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[M600-RKJ]

The idea of 2 specs seems reasonable, after all Renault have done it for years with The Cup option.

But a 'Cup' spec jars massively with an autobox IMO

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[CiderFex]

Reading the “race spec” version again my main thought is what is the actual point ?
Removing all of the bits mentioned couldn’t amount to much more than 15-20kg surely ?
If true it seems a very poor attempt if I’m honest.
The only real sensible reasoning for the two models would be the £40K barrier as mentioned previously.
It also harks back to the removal of the rear wash wipe in the GP1 to save 2kgs in weight but then they put two 25kg Recaros in the front.
[emoji23]
I don’t know what a pair of MINI JCW Seats weigh but surely one of the first, and easiest things to do to create a more “race spec” car, would be to put two reclining bucket seats up front to save a decent amount of dead weight.


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[M600-RKJ]

Reading the “race spec” version again my main thought is what is the actual point ?
Removing all of the bits mentioned couldn’t amount to much more than 15-20kg surely ?
If true it seems a very poor attempt if I’m honest.
The only real sensible reasoning for the two models would be the £40K barrier as mentioned previously.
It also harks back to the removal of the rear wash wipe in the GP1 to save 2kgs in weight but then they put two 25kg Recaros in the front.
[emoji23]
I don’t know what a pair of MINI JCW Seats weigh but surely one of the first, and easiest things to do to create a more “race spec” car, would be to put two reclining bucket seats up front to save a decent amount of dead weight.


Sent from Yorkshire wi an hint o’ sarcasm.Dont even bother with reclining you've no back seats so put in real buckets. Pair of recaro pole positions. It's a 40k car so those seats are justifiable

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[CiderFex]

Dont even bother with reclining you've no back seats so put in real buckets. Pair of recaro pole positions. It's a 40k car so those seats are justifiable

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I mentioned reclining buckets, eg Recaro Sportster CS type seats, for easier adjustability for a more friendly “daily use” scenario.
I know that some would disagree but they’d achieve the two main objectives of 1: a more planted and secure driving position whilst driving “spiritedly” & 2: to save loads of weight.



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[Mon the fish]

Racing buckets are comfy- after all, a driver doing a night stint in an endurance race needs to be comfortable to do his best work. I drove 2500 miles in a fortnight in mine with no issues.

Audi had Pole Positions in that last of the line Mk1 TT thingy, one of the best things about the car IMO

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[MINI William]

MINI USA have announced their pricing for the F56 GP at $44,900.

Motoringfiles article leads us to believe there will be more details over the coming days before its LA Motorshow release.

CLICK (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/11/03/2020-jcw-gp-pricing-announced-by-miniusa/)

[DigitalLemming]

I believe the US pricing will be without any sales tax, so you'd have to figure 20% VAT on top of the conversion roughly for us. There'll be other fees involved skewing the conversion of course.

[Ehjack]

With the 20% VAT takes the conversion to ~£41,692. You probably also need to add VED, delivery etc so the £45k is about spot on.

[M600-RKJ]

A few outlets are claiming the price will be £34,995.

But I'm not sure if that is from minor if that is just doing a currency conversion

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[M600-RKJ]

Scratch that from the bmw press the price is £33895 RRP

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[MINI William]

Evo has an article putting the car at £35k. Not bad I don’t think

HERE (https://www.evo.co.uk/mini/john-cooper-works/22270/next-generation-mini-jcw-gp-getting-closer-to-production)

[M600-RKJ]

Evo has an article putting the car at £35k. Not bad I don’t think

HERE (https://www.evo.co.uk/mini/john-cooper-works/22270/next-generation-mini-jcw-gp-getting-closer-to-production)Piston heads and Ali from jcw adventures have both said 35k but the bmw press release says 33895. Maybe 35 is the otr price

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[MINI William]

I would say that’s the OTR price as delivery etc won’t be included in that

[badwolf340]

Not badly priced ,roughly the same as the JCW Challenge was and that was a couple of years ago

[MINI William]

Specs of the car should hopefully be out soon before it’s unveil at the LA Motorshow. Good chance there will be a “Leak” similar to the new M2 CS that’s also due to be unveiled at the LA Motorshow.

[c_me_swim]

I've just had a call from my local MINI dealer letting me know that I've been allocated a GP3 and wondering if i still wanted it. Has anyone else had this phone call?
When I quizzed them about specs they said they didn't have any yet but should know next week. The only thing they could confirm was the price.

[bodyshop23]

Just had an e-mail confirming build slot for mine. Cost £33895, Has anyone else heard anything?

[c_me_swim]

Did they give you any idea of the spec or if there will be any options to choose from?

[bodyshop23]

Just spoke to dealer, no spec details yet.
Hopefully available next week.
Only 75% of uk allocation sold.
They got all 11 they had orders for and any extra one.

[c_me_swim]

Not sure if that is a good thing or not. Maybe once the full details are announced they will sell the rest of the allocation.
Did they say what the UK was actually allocated numbers wise?
I'm heading into the dealer on Thursday so will grill them then to see what i can find out.

[MINI William]

Some pictures have leaked of the new F56 GP
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080001857_2be8c43834_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hM2QCz)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hM2QCz) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080018317_6c34083641_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hM2Vwn)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hM2Vwn) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49080019407_b2bdc0ebe0_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hM2VRa)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hM2VRa) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr

[goggs]

Do those door mirrors on the GP3 look to have a flat section across the centre ?

Edit: I see that design was already in the prior pics/vids !


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[M600-RKJ]

Do those door mirrors on the GP3 look to have a flat section across the centre ?


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[goggs]

I’ve seen a couple of 19/69 plates and hadn’t noticed that change ! I do see from looking at a lot of cars on autotrader the surround on the centre infotainment system is now plain gloss black, seats have a silver trim and the dash panels are gloss black, any other changes to note ?


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[CiderFex]

I wonder why they’ve purposefully not put all of the cars at the correct sizes in relation to each other.
The GP1 should look slightly smaller than the GP2 which in turn should look smaller than the 3.


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[Track Ali]

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Managed to quickly grab these before they were taken down again. Hopefully they'll be posted again soon in higher definition.

[c_me_swim]

Its looking really good. I'm starting to get excited now!

[DigitalLemming]

Thought this was pretty cool:

http://newminiscotland.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8260&d=1574168020

[c_me_swim]

Love the artwork. I do hope that the arches are carbon as per the pictures posted earlier. I think plastic would be a big disappointment.

[MINI William]

Like that a lot. Great find

[MINI William]

Some more pictures

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090923268_5f7fac233c_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hMZPbL)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hMZPbL) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091637952_391d9ae85e_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hN4tCU)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hN4tCU) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091436811_0edcb5a30a_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hN3rQX)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hN3rQX) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091436846_49fc3d352e_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hN3rRy)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hN3rRy) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090924598_02a8a130de_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hMZPzG)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hMZPzG) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090924618_9bb922c77c_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hMZPA3)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hMZPA3) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091437076_cbd0e595dd_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hN3rVw)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2hN3rVw) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr

[Track Ali]

MotoringFile track video now up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83k1WA1S8Q

[TheGreenOne]

Hello,
Some more details here, there will be two version available, the standard one for £34,995 and with a Touring Pack for £36,995.
Standard spec includes:
EXTERIOR:
– 18" John Cooper Works GP Spoke forged lightweight alloy wheels
in two-tone
– Racing Grey metallic exterior paint colour
– Melting Silver contrast roof and mirror caps
– Darkened LED headlights and rear lights
– GP aerodynamic kit with Chili Red and Rosso Red accents,
including specific front bumper with new air intake and rear
bumper with diffuser insert
– Carbon fibre wheel spats with individual numbering
on front driver and passenger side
– Sun protection glass
– Piano Black Exterior with extended content: bonnet scoop,
MINI badges, headlight and rear light surround, grille surround,
door handles and fuel filler cap
– Rear spoiler, bicolour, with GP logo
– Exhaust tailpipes in stainless steel
INTERIOR:
– Two seater
– John Cooper Works GP sport bucket seats with
Dinamica/leather and red seat belts
– GP digital display cockpit

– GP Walknappa leather steering wheel with multi-function controls
– 3D printed GP metal shift paddles
– 3D printed fascia panel with individual GP numbering
– GP door entry strips
– GP floor mats with logo and Chili Red stitching
– Anthracite headlining
– Carbon Black Colour Line
– Front centre armrest
– Cruise control with brake function
– 6.5" Radio Visual Boost with specific GP startup screen
– Load protection bar in Chili Red
PERFORMANCE FEATURES:
– 8-speed sport automatic transmission
– 10 mm lower ride height and 20 mm wider track at front axle
(than the standard John Cooper Works model)
– Sport suspension with specific damper settings,
performance springs and wheel camber adjustments
– Sport performance Hankook tyres
– Torsen mechanical differential
– Sport braking system (18" 4-piston front brake calliper)
– Specific DSC settings including a GP Mode
– Enhanced air intake system

Touring pack includes:
GP TOURING PACK.
CONTENT:
– Navigation Plus Pack, including:
• Navigation System with 8.8" display
• Apple CarPlay
• MINI Visual Boost Radio
• MINI Connected†
• ConnectedDrive Services (including
Online Search and Weather Information)
• Real Time Traffic Information (RTTI)
• Concierge Service
• Remote Services
• MINI Connected XL†
with additional
features including Amazon Alexa††
• Enhanced bluetooth with
wireless charging
– Automatic air conditioning, dual zone
– Seat heating


TECHNICAL DATA^
. ENGINE AND PERFORMANCE:
– Capacity: 1998 cm3
– Max. output: 306 hp (225 kW)
– Max. torque: 450 Nm
– 0–62 mph: 5.2 seconds
– Top speed: 164 mph
DIMENSIONS:
– Length: 3879 mm
– Width: 1762 mm
– Height: 1420 mm
– Wheelbase: 2495 mm
– Luggage capacity: 612–816 litres
FUEL CONSUMPTION
AND CO2 EMISSIONS*:
– Fuel consumption (combined):
34.0 mpg (8.3 l/100 km)
– CO2 emissions combined:
167 g/km

[EcosseGP]

Certainly an interesting read all round ... however, if I was waiting on one and wasn’t getting everything for the first price I wouldn’t be happy especially given the fact it’s not cheap.

Extra money for what really is Sat nav and heated seats nothing short of shocking !


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[MINI William]

Certainly an interesting read all round ... however, if I was waiting on one and wasn’t getting everything for the first price I wouldn’t be happy especially given the fact it’s not cheap.

Extra money for what really is Sat nav and heated seats nothing short of shocking !


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Think it depends on how the cars going to be used. For someone who’s going to use the car everyday the Touring Pack is worth it. For someone who’s going to use it as a weekend toy I don’t think the touring pack is worth it and certainly wouldn’t bother me

[badwolf340]

The only thing I could do without on the TP is the armrest ,it’s fine on clubman and countryman but gets in the way (for me) on the hatch

[Mon the fish]

For those on here ordering or considering ordering one - if manual was an option, would you choose it?

[MINI William]

As nice as a manual is and how involved it makes you feel in the whole process, sadly they just don’t change quick enough. The time lost in changing gear costs valuable time in getting you from A to B. I can see why they have went with an auto setup on the GP.

To answer your question Gordon I probably would go for an auto even though I love a manual.

[c9aan]

We have gone for the touring pack on ours for the extra 2k we think its a no brainer

[MINI William]

We have gone for the touring pack on ours for the extra 2k we think its a no brainer

Great news. Not a fan of the touring pack but if it suits why not.

[M600-RKJ]

Great news. Not a fan of the touring pack but if it suits why not.The interior looks very spartan without the TP

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[M600-RKJ]

A lot left blank. No worse than the challenge I suppose. But being the top mini I dont want blankshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191127/57550341f89ce8b4543d0eb2305321f3.jpg

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[MINI William]

The interior looks very spartan without the TP

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Blank spaces don’t bother me. If you want lots of spec and toys the GP is the wrong car and a 60th Edition or Challenge 210 would be a better option. In my opinion a GP isn’t about lots of spec.

[M600-RKJ]

Blank spaces don’t bother me. If you want lots of spec and toys the GP is the wrong car and a 60th Edition or Challenge 210 would be a better option. In my opinion a GP isn’t about lots of spec.I would agree if the gp wasnt coming with so much standard kit this time anyway

To my knowledge the only spec the gp ever got was heated seats

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[MINI William]

I would agree if the gp wasnt coming with so much standard kit this time anyway

To my knowledge the only spec the gp ever got was heated seats

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Don’t think they are coming with a lot. They have the centre screen but MINI don’t do a car without the screen now.

[badwolf340]

Less buttons ........less weight :yawn:

[bodyshop23]

Just cancelled my order as not all UK cars are sold so going to wait and hopefully get one later with discount or a used one with low mileage.

[MINI William]

Motoringfile have done an article on the arches CLICK (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/11/28/in-depth-look-at-the-mini-jcw-gp-carbon-fiber-fenders/)

[MINI William]

On another note the car as a whole looks brilliant and far better. Than what the test cars in the camo lead us to believe.

[M600-RKJ]

Literally the first line and I've face palmed

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[M600-RKJ]

Bit crap that it doesnt actually go into any detail at all on the recycling of the carbon. There is 1 line where it states that the carbon come from the production of the i cars.

Also from looking at the material I would say it's closer to the Lamborghini forged carbon than a regular weaved carbon.

The forged carbon is also recycled then it goes through a very similar process to regular prepreg carbon where the fibre is impregnated with epoxy resin. By manufacturing the carbon with epoxy already in it you save weight by reducing excess resin. Then you have a prepreg sheet of recycled carbon.

Looking at the arches in the close up picture there isnt a weave it looks much more like chopstrand mat, which to me says the excess carbon from i3 and i8 production had been chopped up and then turned into a prepreg sheet.

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[MINI William]

Not a fan of forged carbon at all. The carbon used on the arches doesn’t look quite as sporadic as forged carbon but also doesn’t have as uniformed a weave as conventional carbon fibre. Also the carbon used on the i cars is very matte like

[M600-RKJ]

Not a fan of forged carbon at all. The carbon used on the arches doesn’t look quite as sporadic as forged carbon but also doesn’t have as uniformed a weave as conventional carbon fibre. Also the carbon used on the i cars is very matte likeI did a bit of research into the bmw production method last year during a project and in the article he says that the arches are build similarly to the M parts, the M parts are build in the traditional way all carbon fibre parts are made, the i cars are slightly different because they are built in a semi mass production style. Nobody has been able to fully mass produce full carbon cars yet that I'm aware off. BMW are the closest, the i cars dont use any special techniques in their production so the matte finish is probably a cost saving measure if anything. Prepreg can come out of the mould prefinished as it does for the M car roofs but then a final finish will need to be checked and corrected. With a matte finish on something like the chassis you can get away with a lot more imperfections, so cheaper and faster

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[M600-RKJ]

Far less motorsport derived. Unless there is a good reason you'll very rarely find a nice finish in motorsport carbon. But I think it is all about perception, a nicely finish glossy piece of carbon looks far more expensive than a piece with a matte finish

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[M600-RKJ]

Well after being down south for 3 months and travelling to oxford every weekday it finally happened.

I finally saw a gp3 being driven, no camo, the guy wasnt hanging about in it either.

It looks far better in person than in the photos the wing doesn't look quite so stuck on it works well with the rest of the car, the arches which I'm not the biggest fan of dont stick out as much as they do in pictures. Could be down to the dullness but it works with the racing grey paint.

On a bad point it makes literally no noise. I couldnt hear it over my own car and we got stopped at a set of roadworks and the gp took off and I couldnt hear a thing.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191210/d64240d2ba0f451620e43ca1d8bf8ed5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191210/0e067317262b4bb6450a3bae6fd451ea.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191210/f6335647a81deb69d140a3c01a1030bd.jpg

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[MINI William]

Great spot Mark

[M600-RKJ]

It was a US spec GP had reflectors in the arches and the indicators were red and the George's cross of the brake lights

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[badwolf340]

Cool find Mark

[MINI William]

Shame about the noise that it makes Mark. Also if it’s a US spec car it shouldn’t have the GPF

[T10BRC]

My dealer has told me there are only +/- 25 cars issued to dealers in Scotland.

Got some finance figures also... 48 months, 10k pa, £2k dep = £510 standard / £550 Touring...

[MINI William]

MINI Germany’s video is doing the rounds just now. Good video CLICK (https://youtu.be/BJ8BNQjZ2Q0)

[MINI William]

Apparently GP production started today

[goggs]

All U.K. GP allocation are sold I’m advised by my local mini dealer


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[Track Ali]

Yup I'd heard the same a few months ago, despite the endless posts on Facebook about people cancelling. :rolleyes:

With GP2, I believe dealers were able to order and retain cars as part of their inventory, regardless of whether they had a customer lined up. From what I've been told, things are much tighter with the GP3, with dealers only being able to order cars for if they have a customer in place. Should that order then fall through, I've been told the car then goes back to MINI UK and doesn't remain available for the dealership.

Either way... it certainly seems that there's a fair bit of demand. :yes nod:

[nobbyclark]

When I cancelled the S E, the salesman asked if I would be changing the JCW in the near future. I replied I would if he could get me a GP3, but he said he couldn't find any in the system.

[badwolf340]

That’s a great find ...like that :thumbs up: