Electric Car Update

[MINI William]

Little bit of an update on the new Cooper E

CLICK (http://www.motoringfile.com/2018/11/04/2020-electric-mini-cooper-e/)

[M600-RKJ]

My biggest fear confirmed. They aren't changing the chassis. I'll be very surprised if they can get a range over 100miles. And it means the car is going to have a very small boot since I imagine most of the battery cells will be in the boot/fuel tank are could also mean for a back heavy car.

[goggs]

https://www.alphr.com/cars/1004447/bmw-electric-mini-release-date-price-features


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[MINI William]

I’m really quite excited about the MINI E. I’ve always been a fan of the i3 even more so after driving one at an M day. Hopefully the car is reasonably priced and still delivers that MINI feeling

[elgassi]

https://www.alphr.com/cars/1004447/bmw-electric-mini-release-date-price-features


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awful looking tbh

[CiderFex]

I quite like the design of it in those pics.
It’s got enough tweeks to differentiate it from a “normal” MINI but it’s so obviously a MINI from which ever angle you look at it from.
It’d have to have a bloody good battery on it for me to do a day return trip to a meet or run though.
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[MINI William]

Am I missing something as I’m only seeing pics of the concept? Has there been Moreno pics released?

[CiderFex]

Am I missing something as I’m only seeing pics of the concept? Has there been Moreno pics released?

There’s just the 15 pics of the concept in that link but if it looks anything like that, I’d find it more than acceptable.
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[MINI William]

There’s just the 15 pics of the concept in that link but if it looks anything like that, I’d find it more than acceptable.
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Thats fine. Thought I had missed something

[MINI William]

Interesting read HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2018/11/27/two-electric-mini-versions/)

Are we going to get an E and a ES? Similar to i3 and i3S?

[MINI William]

Little bit more about the electric car CLICK (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/01/09/the-2020-electric-mini-to-be-a-performance-minded-hot-hatch/)

[DigitalLemming]

Some more updates on what its like to drive: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2020-mini-cooper-se-first-drive-review/

[MINI William]

MotoringFile has a bit here about it as well CLICK (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/03/05/review-electric-mini-cooper-se-160-mike-range/)

[MINI William]

The verdict looks promising though

[MINI William]

Some more pictures

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7883/47245491812_447a18abe3_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuH3)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuH3) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7841/47245491872_60bfcd870c_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuJ5)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuJ5) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7867/47245491932_c190a4451e_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuK7)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuK7) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7856/47245491942_30549f0d9b_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuKh)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2eYVuKh) by William Harper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152828565@N06/), on Flickr

[MINI William]

Even more info HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/03/06/electric-mini-cooper-se-range-charging-time/)

[CiderFex]

https://youtu.be/D19jxJnvy5I


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[DigitalLemming]

More photos of the undisguised car: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/100275/new-2020-electric-mini-cooper-se-spotted-undisguised

[MINI William]

I really like this

[M600-RKJ]

I really really like that. Hopefully I'll have a job buy the time they go on sale


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[Ehjack]

Not really my cup of tea aesthetically. Those wheels would be the first to go [emoji85]. But I can see the appeal for some people.

[matsarm]

Those wheels are... interesting...

[Twisterboy]

I kinda like the wheels, maybe yelling out to the younger generation.

Davy

[Magoo]

I like it, already played the ‘what would you do to it’ game lol

[Sad_Panda]

Still concerned about the range tbh. If you drive it properly you wont get anywhere near the quoted range. Will be test driving one once its launched though cause next car will prob be a toss up between this and new 1 series hybrid

[Mon the fish]

It'll suit a certain type of driver, but full electric cars will never fully take over. Too many people park their cars on the street and not in a drive, who will pay for all the public charging points etc etc.

Electric cars are older than petrol cars - and if you want to see where it all started, come along to the Grampian Transport Museum and see the Davidson electric motor in action!

(Shameless plug...)

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[CiderFex]

I think that VW have just beaten MINI to the coolest pedals ever seen in an electric car.
They have a “pause” symbol on the brake and a triangular “play” button on the accelerator.
It’s the small details that count.
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[Stewart]

I think you’ll be surprised how quick the transition from fossil to full EV will be. Battery density, battery chemistry and design are improving now at a pace. The disappointment with this MINI SE is it’s a compromise and not a fully designed from the ground up EV. I recon real world at best 130 miles going by past BMW packs in i3. I stand by view people should not be denied driving fossils if they want but the reality is apart from classic Cars and Supercars/Hypercars average joe will see fossil Cars priced out of use. Scotland is already planning banning the sales of new fossil Cars by 2030 and is one of the more aggressive Countries. Road Tax will see a premium as fossil prices rocket.

When your seeing 20%-80% in fifteen minutes and price comparisons it makes sense, when they crack under ten minutes for 20-80% then charging becomes irrelevant to what everyone was used to in filling up.. We all know the instant power is there. As for people parking in the street we don’t have petrol stations on our drives or at every parking spot. Petrol stations are already rolling out charge points on top of charge points at shopping centres etc. In Britain we have went from I think it was 22k petrol stations in the 90’s to 8.5k today.

The huge difference apart from price is people now have the opportunity to charge at home using either a power grid that is getting greener year on year or off solar. Public charging in Scotland is free. A friend got a Zoey EV it does at best 90 miles to a charge in summer, 68 in winter does 46 miles a day commute (works fo the MOD) He charges every night at the public charge point two minutes drive from his house while has his coffee and reads his paper for free and has done 26k miles free since he started. His other car just now for the weekend is a one year old BMW M5 he uses for fun and longer family trips. He actually loves his 30 minutes of peace from the mad house as he calls it -(Wife three kids) at the end of his shift to unwind. He does granted charge at home on occasion but rarely as he’s on a mission with the whole free charging/Mileage thing. I know that’s an extreme example but it’s saved him a fortune on fuel and he got a £10k dealer in association with make discount on the Car new when he got it as the new version was about to launch. Think it went from £28k - £4.5k Government grant -£10k Discount. Think it was around 13k he paid, delivery miles. Two year after owning it was still worth £15k that’s some maths and a silly deal at the time when dealers couldn’t shift them. Cars now four years old I think. He was just prepared to be ahead of the curve and it’s paid off.

Comparison on just the cost to fuel and where he burst of the tech is just now.

BMW 3 Series V Tesla Model 3 for 300 mile journey. On old Supercharger standard not the newer version that sees 15 minutes charging.

Fill up at a quiet petrol station seven minutes - Tesla 37 minutes ( while having lunch)

Cost for 300 miles : BMW £47 - Tesla SC £14 Tesla same journey charged over night at best economy night rate at home £4.

[M600-RKJ]

We just took delivery last month of a brand new Zoe. Had our last zoe we bought a year old for 3 years. With dealer contribution and government grant what should be a £23k car cost £16k. Mum uses it every day. New car has the bigger 40kw battery so range is 160-200+miles. Mum has the benefit of having charges at the hospitals so she gets a charge 9 times out of 10 while working. But she can happily do a weeks commute on a single charge and the governt fund a charger at the house so if she is really struggling we have the house charger.

Now that mini have got the ball rolling with a fun EV I can seriously see myself with an ev in the not too distant future.

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[M600-RKJ]

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[nobbyclark]

My longest trip currently is to the airport, which is about 45 miles. If I can charge it up, get to the airport, leave it there a few days and then drive home at the end of the week, then I'll take a 130 mile range. Seriously tempted. And will then get a Wildcat Defender for the weekend.

[M600-RKJ]

My longest trip currently is to the airport, which is about 45 miles. If I can charge it up, get to the airport, leave it there a few days and then drive home at the end of the week, then I'll take a 130 mile range. Seriously tempted. And will then get a Wildcat Defender for the weekend.All of the what I would call 2nd gen of electric cars like the new 208, corsa, mini VW ID and new leaf are all coming out with a 50kw battery and even if you are hammering the car which because it's an ev you dont because after the initial torque shove there is no reward to going faster. It is very difficult to get the m/kw below 3 which still comfortably gives you a range of 150miles and with charging technology most new ev have a quick charge feature which gives you 80% charge in the time it takes you to drink a coffee.

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[M600-RKJ]

I think the biggest issue with evs is people's perception of them. Everyone seems to judge them based on ultimate range which isnt really fair. As I would imagine there are very few times anyone does a trip that is over 150miles. And for all the money you could save on petrol or diesel the other 364 days you arent doing a 150 miles trip you can hire a car and still be quids in.

I can only speak from out experience but the reliability of electric cars seems to be fantastic. In the 3 years and 20k miles we put on the last zoe. It never needed a thing and unless the dealership held on to the receipts I dont think had every had any work done. No tyres no disks no pads. I find it very hard to believe that a clio would manage to do 40k miles and sail through an mot with not a single advisory. The car got its yearly service which is a visual inspection a cabin filter change and a brake fluid change.

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[Mon the fish]

They will need to come down quite a lot in price to make sense for most folk, in terms of the initial capital outlay.

I wonder where we'll be in 10-15 years in terms of government tax, and replacing the lost revenue from declining sales of dinosaur juice

[nobbyclark]

I suspect we will see no 'government subsidy' and a hike in charges for using electricity to run a car.

[Mon the fish]

I suspect we will see no 'government subsidy' and a hike in charges for using electricity to run a car.I agree, although it'll be interesting how they separate the electricity you use to charge your car from that to power your TV etc. Will they make everyone have a separate meter for the car charger?

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[MINI William]

Officially unveiled on the 9th HERE (http://www.motoringfile.com/2019/06/18/official-mini-cooper-s-e-to-be-revealed-july-9th/)

[nobbyclark]

I've bitten the bullet and pre-ordered one.

[Twisterboy]

I've bitten the bullet and pre-ordered one.

Be intresting to hear what you think about it, keep us informed.

Davy

[MINI William]

I've bitten the bullet and pre-ordered one.

Look forward to seeing it.