RR Day 31st January 2016

[Knox18]

RR day booked at AG Motorsport in Kilmarnock for the 31st January @ £35 per car.

"Moorfield Motor Services
Unit 8b Moorfield North Industrial Park, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire KA2 0FE"

1. Chris
2. Craig
3. Euan
4. Gasmark7
5. Andrew

[MINI William]

Chris is there a limit on cars that can be run on the day? If not this is probably better in the Meets and Social section.

[Craig]

Yes please


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[Knox18]

1. Chris
2. Craig
3.
4.

Max of 35 in a day

[ELFMAN]

I'd be interested in this just to get a benchmark on what's actually happening under the bonnet, but would need to know the times so I could arrange things at home for my Dad. Morning or afternoon etc?

[ELFMAN]

Seeing as this is a week today, is there an update on Times etc? If there are only two or three cars confirmed, will it be cancelled/postponed?

[Craig]

Not sure Euan as Chris is organising this. Bit surprised nobody else on NMS wants a power run on the Dyno ?!?!?


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[Gasmark7]

Count me in. Thanks

[DigitalLemming]

I'm up for this, interested to see what sort of power I'm actually making :thumbs up:

[ELFMAN]

Not sure Euan as Chris is organising this. Bit surprised nobody else on NMS wants a power run on the Dyno ?!?!?

I thought there would have been more takers Craig, although I know some folks aren't too keen on Rolling Roads for fear of damaging their pride and joy. But if done properly it shouldn't be too much of a risk in my opinion and Chris wouldn't go somewhere which wasn't professional. I'm just interested to see what difference my mods and the remap have made.

I haven't had a Mini on the rollers since my '03 R53 (pre-JCW/GRS etc etc upgrades), and it made around 175 flywheel BHP. I think I might have had the Playmini manifold and sytem on it. That was at a Mini Clan dyno day and it was pipped by a lovely Honda V-tec Mini which did around 177BHP. Although they did do about five runs with tweaking to to my one run to get there... surely not to make sure one of those awful BMW New Minis wouldn't have highest BHP of the day...??? Hmmm. The Good Old Days eh?

More folks coming on board now :thumbs up:

[kevs cooper s]

bad time of year for most to have much disposable income I know I for one have plenty bills to pay after the Christmas and new year spend

[ELFMAN]

bad time of year for most to have much disposable income I know I for one have plenty bills to pay after the Christmas and new year spend

Point taken. I must have been mean to everybody over the Christmas period! Seriously though, one of the few 'bonuses' of a tiny family (just Dad and I) and a small circle of close friends is that Christmas doesn't cost me the earth - only a continent or two... But I understand where you're coming from.

[kevs cooper s]

Point taken. I must have been mean to everybody over the Christmas period! Seriously though, one of the few 'bonuses' of a tiny family (just Dad and I) and a small circle of close friends is that Christmas doesn't cost me the earth - only a continent or two... But I understand where you're coming from.
yeh I overspent on plenty bits for my next r53, which I'm hoping to buy nearer the end of the year , house to sell first though and I'm always busy with plumbing and tiling

[stoney]

I'm away that weekend or would have been there

[MINI William]

I would usually be up for this but my cars still to new and not yet run in, however may pop along for a catch up

[ELFMAN]

Unfortunately I'm still dependant on times for this, all revolves around when Dad's care workers are in. Afternoon would suit me best, cos then I can get his lunch sorted before I leave!

William, if you are coming over, could you maybe bring my Catch Cans? Even if I can't make it you could maybe give them to Andrew and I can collect them from him. No probs if you're not going.

[MINI William]

Unfortunately I'm still dependant on times for this, all revolves around when Dad's care workers are in. Afternoon would suit me best, cos then I can get his lunch sorted before I leave!

William, if you are coming over, could you maybe bring my Catch Cans? Even if I can't make it you could maybe give them to Andrew and I can collect them from him. No probs if you're not going.

No Probs

[Craig]

I contacted Chris today and asked him to have a Wee look at the thread and answer your questions guys [emoji106][emoji23]


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[Knox18]

I sent Andrew a wee message earlier just to update him with the current number and if he would prefer us in the morning or afternoon. Will hopefully hear back from him in the morning. I'm hoping for afternoon.

I'm willing to open this up to all cars to help get the numbers up if thats ok with everyone else?

[Craig]

No problem to me.


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[ELFMAN]

I'm ok with that, so long as they don't jump the NMS queue! :smilewinkgrin: (If I make it, I'll probably have to get home fairly sharpish).

[Knox18]

Looking to be there from 10am onwards

[ELFMAN]

I'll be pushing it to get there in the morning but I'll see what I can do. When are other folks aiming for? Craig? Andrew? Maybe we can convoy over...

[Craig]

I'm easy on start time, however I'd prob prefer to be there before lunchtime, I'll prob be there for a few hours tho to see the other cars go on the Dyno [emoji2]


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[DigitalLemming]

Not sure what time I'll head down yet, but definitely before lunchtime.

Depending on weather I'll either take the boring road via East Kilbride and the M77 or the A71 Strathaven and Galston as its a bit more fun :thumbs up:

[ELFMAN]

Ok guys, I'll see what I can arrange at home and hopefully we can meet up and go across together. I doubt I'll be able to leave Larkhall before 10.45am though, so wee convoy maybe not possible. Will post ASAP.

[Craig]

No bother Euan - I'll be heading down the M73/74/77 and I'll look to get there for around 10. As I say I'll be there for some time to catch up with folks and see some cars on the RR


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[ELFMAN]

Cheers Craig, I'll probably make my own way across as I'm just not sure when I'll be able to get away.

[Craig]

Anybody else for this? Chris has confirmed other cars can go on .....


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[stoney]

Have fun the day guys looking forward to seeing the results

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[Knox18]

See you guys there, wrap up warm!

[MINI William]

See everyone soon

[EcosseGP]

Certainly a different day for NMS as at time it was spent either shouting or covering our ears. It was good to get a catch up and obviously see how the wee buggies were performing. I now went along for a look but decided to see how well/badly the R53 was going given the fact that it was thrown together in a race to get it ready for the HBT last year. Pleasantly surprised with the figures considering I've not even remapped the car merely changed a coupe of bits and it's 12 years old ...
A few photos from the day and Euan the Elf mobile was looking stunning today maybe had I cleaned it I might have got an extra couple of bhp. Must get some more of those 5bhp stickers lol ....
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/GPEcosse/05BF6AD6-F173-4F84-9B15-0DD01B4BE19E.jpg (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/GPEcosse/media/05BF6AD6-F173-4F84-9B15-0DD01B4BE19E.jpg.html)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/GPEcosse/B3D7718E-350E-4CFF-A53A-0FA6C09FA008.jpg (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/GPEcosse/media/B3D7718E-350E-4CFF-A53A-0FA6C09FA008.jpg.html)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/GPEcosse/6070F080-C7F3-40E3-A0A0-F00FBEDA5DDC.jpg (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/GPEcosse/media/6070F080-C7F3-40E3-A0A0-F00FBEDA5DDC.jpg.html)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/GPEcosse/5E9A3158-6413-4A26-BB92-B216A238B7F3.jpg (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/GPEcosse/media/5E9A3158-6413-4A26-BB92-B216A238B7F3.jpg.html)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/GPEcosse/F088E832-5185-45E5-8853-3CE21ECC765C.jpg (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/GPEcosse/media/F088E832-5185-45E5-8853-3CE21ECC765C.jpg.html)
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc428/GPEcosse/29FB6CB4-3FE4-48F7-9C15-7749263981F0.jpg (http://s1211.photobucket.com/user/GPEcosse/media/29FB6CB4-3FE4-48F7-9C15-7749263981F0.jpg.html)



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[kevs cooper s]

nice pics mate did u manage to record the highest bhp today

[stoney]

Very nice well come on people what's your numbers?

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[EcosseGP]

It's not a numbers game and you should all know that ... the cars were running well let's just say that lol :):)
Standard Power 163bhp (quoted figure)


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[badwolf340]

another great day out and to catch up with peeps,really good results for the folks that ran their cars and nice to speak to the guys that were there from the Seat owners club, will get pics up later ,once again thanks for the day out .

[Craig]

Glad you guys had a good day out... The Panda is still sick (despite Chris's best efforts ) therefore I am saving my money for another round of investigation..... Heard there were some good numbers today and good to see the cars running well [emoji106]


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[EcosseGP]

^^^ yeah the yellow Seat putting out +400 bhp was a surprise :)


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[MINI William]

What a great day out. Thanks to Chris for organising today and the guys at Moorfield Motors for looking after us and running the cars. Some good figures today and I hope everyone is happy with them. Great day to catch up and have a chat.

[ELFMAN]

Nice pictures Davy :thumbs up:

Great to see everybody today, old and new faces and very interesting to see the cars on the rollers, all the Minis seemed to be going well and though I was a bit late getting there and missed most of the Mini action, (Davy's R53 sounded nice and went well), it was worth the trip to confirm the Elfmobile's in better shape than its owner ;-) Not sure about the 'etiquette' of these things as to whether it's the done thing to quote figures as nobody's telling so far, suffice to say I thought my car was running well and the numbers have backed that up.

Thanks to Chris for organising the session (not to mention the remap) and to the guys at Moorfield Motors/AG Motorsport Ltd for taking care of the cars and finally a special mention to 'Big Al' for some good banter and a totally excellent mug of tea!

Sorry I couldn't stay for the food and a further blether, but it was still an enjoyable day out. I only got lost twice on the way there (after I got to Kilmarnock), but that's just par for my course!

[stoney]

It's not a numbers game and you should all know that ... the cars were running well let's just say that lol :):)
Standard Power 163bhp (quoted figure)


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Yep your right but it's always interesting to see what numbers the cars are putting out .....

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[DigitalLemming]

Great day out again and it's always interesting to see what sort of numbers people are making even though for me it's more about how the car drives than the numbers it makes. Although I do like a nice graph :thumbs up:

I'll upload my graph in a bit, but I'm showing 187.7 HP at the fly and roughly 205 ft lb torque :thumbs up:

Only took a few photos and I'm still waiting on my phone uploading most of them, but heres a few so far.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l184/digitallemming/Rolling%20Road%20Day/IMG_0584-1_zpsfyaprbmw.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l184/digitallemming/Rolling%20Road%20Day/IMG_0594_zpsht5vonmv.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l184/digitallemming/Rolling%20Road%20Day/IMG_0591_zpswy5t3hfk.jpg
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[ELFMAN]

I totally agree with Andrew, it's all about how your car feels (and more importantly makes you feel) on the road rather than reducing it to numbers. You could have 300BHP and the car could be an absolute pig to drive, whereas you could have 150BHP and have a well balanced car which can put the power down in all conditions, and we all know which one we'd rather be in on a damp twisty road... Having said that, it's interesting to use the dyno to see how and where your hard-earned mods have altered/improved your output, so from that point of view it's arguably a worthwhile exercise.

I feel as if I've finally hit that 'sweet spot' with my car now with the new Michelins and the remap. It just feels 'together' with more than enough power for my innate lack of talent, and with the mods all complimenting each other. To be honest it's probably the best car I've ever had as a complete package. I won't be regressing to my Boy Racer days though, the old nerves just couldn't take it these days!

I don't know what my car was producing when it left Oxford in 2008, supposedly 170BHP or thereabouts, but rumour has it that the standard (non Works) R56 was producing 190-ish, depending on the Dyno you were on. My figures today were 230.1BHP (it's that vital point one that makes all the difference) and 260ft/lbs torque, which means my old 'Seatofthepantsometer' is still working, as I really could feel it on the road.

When I first got the car, it felt fine, but now, after about seven years of footering around with it, it's so much nicer to drive, for instance the power hangs on in there much longer than it did when standard (it used to feel fairly quick but it was done and dusted by 5,500rpm...), and couple that to the brakes, suspension, tyres and seats etc and it all adds up to a better overall driving experience. Any more power/torque and that vital 'balance' would go out the window, and probably into the nearest hedge, so "Th... Th... Th... That's All Folks!" The Elfmobile is finally finished - and yes, you CAN quote me on that. Here's the graph, you can't beat a nice graph. Is it technically an "Auto-Graph"?

[DigitalLemming]

Here's my graph for anyone that's interested :thumbs up:
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l184/digitallemming/Rolling%20Road%20Day/IMG_0602_zpstpv7acat.jpg



so "Th... Th... Th... That's All Folks!" The Elfmobile is finally finished - and yes, you CAN quote me on that.

Quoted just in case you change your mind ;)

[ELFMAN]

Quoted just in case you change your mind ;)

Andrew, you swine! Now I'll be in turmoil because I've just remembered that I still have to get my Oil Catch Cans from William and get them fitted... Ah well, there goes the world's shortest ever resolution!

[Craig]

Nice figures gents. Looks like your car will be a bit of a weapon now Euan [emoji2][emoji106]


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[Knox18]

Great day! Good to catch up / meet new faces!

:thumbs up:

[ELFMAN]

Looks like your car will be a bit of a weapon now Euan [emoji2][emoji106]

No more than it was before, Craig :smilewinkgrin:
It only goes as fast as the driver makes it go! :motoring: :stop:
Anyway, I'm quite careful these days... honest. It's like the motoring equivalent of a fridge full of beer, it's nice to have, but you don't have to drink it all at once! Restraint.

[MrMischief]

Here's my graph for anyone that's interested :thumbs up:
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l184/digitallemming/Rolling%20Road%20Day/IMG_0602_zpstpv7acat.jpg

Strange scale I think...although unusual torque curve??? Was it fully spooled by 1800rpm? But no power below approx 2k rpm? :scratch:

[Gasmark7]

Big thanks to everybody who made me feel so welcome at the Rolling Road day at Moorfields. It was good to put faces to names. Didn't realise how nerve wracking seeing my pride and joy getting hammered by someone I didn't know would be. It must have been an hour before my heart rate returned to normal. A great day out.
Thanks

[EcosseGP]

^^ it was good to meet you too and it doesn't matter how many times you go to these things it's always nerve wracking. You always feel the worse may happen and then it's the relief when everything goes well. I'm not a big fan of RR days but it's nice to check the car every now and then ... especially like Brian says when it gives you a base for maybe things to come.


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[BIGG]

Hey lads Graeme here from the seat forum. Loved the mini's all went very well!!!! We have a Mini Countryman SD AWD in the family and wil be getting tuned as soon as out of warranty.

Here's my results from the Leon. A little down on other dynos boy 15-20 bhp but torque was bang on



http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/BIGGaddicted/951633D8-8125-4926-BCC0-D408BBB27DBF_zps78kv7nxg.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/BIGGaddicted/media/951633D8-8125-4926-BCC0-D408BBB27DBF_zps78kv7nxg.jpg.html)

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/BIGGaddicted/CBC937BD-CD9C-4622-B186-E3FC4228748C_zps55wfd5mt.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/BIGGaddicted/media/CBC937BD-CD9C-4622-B186-E3FC4228748C_zps55wfd5mt.jpg.html)

This is my Honda Civic type R graph from today car had Itegwa intake, DC sports manifold, skunk2 POWERSYSTEM R Exhaust


http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/BIGGaddicted/3394DDB2-C21E-4EDE-9055-D5197C523A9B_zpsf1tp78hv.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/BIGGaddicted/media/3394DDB2-C21E-4EDE-9055-D5197C523A9B_zpsf1tp78hv.jpg.html)

[MINI William]

Big thanks to everybody who made me feel so welcome at the Rolling Road day at Moorfields. It was good to put faces to names. Didn't realise how nerve wracking seeing my pride and joy getting hammered by someone I didn't know would be. It must have been an hour before my heart rate returned to normal. A great day out.
Thanks

Good to meet you to Graham. Pleased that you had a good time and looking forward to seeing you at an event soon

[MINI William]

Hey lads Graeme here from the seat forum. Loved the mini's all went very well!!!! We have a Mini Countryman SD AWD in the family and wil be getting tuned as soon as out of warranty.

Here's my results from the Leon. A little down on other dynos boy 15-20 bhp but torque was bang on



http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/BIGGaddicted/951633D8-8125-4926-BCC0-D408BBB27DBF_zps78kv7nxg.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/BIGGaddicted/media/951633D8-8125-4926-BCC0-D408BBB27DBF_zps78kv7nxg.jpg.html)

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/BIGGaddicted/CBC937BD-CD9C-4622-B186-E3FC4228748C_zps55wfd5mt.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/BIGGaddicted/media/CBC937BD-CD9C-4622-B186-E3FC4228748C_zps55wfd5mt.jpg.html)

This is my Honda Civic type R graph from today car had Itegwa intake, DC sports manifold, skunk2 POWERSYSTEM R Exhaust


http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx247/BIGGaddicted/3394DDB2-C21E-4EDE-9055-D5197C523A9B_zpsf1tp78hv.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/BIGGaddicted/media/3394DDB2-C21E-4EDE-9055-D5197C523A9B_zpsf1tp78hv.jpg.html)

Car was looking and going well yesterday Graeme and good to meet you. Looking forward to seeing the SD with some work done to it. Its a good starting point with the 2L diesel