Jumping in with both feet.

[Johnf36]

Okay here we go I have tried to get though as much as possible, but I can't help but asking a few questions along the performance interests.

1. It looks like to me most everybody relies on caned tunes? Is there not any dyno tuning?

2. Looks like diesels are big :thumbs up: they need to let them in to the states.

3. For those interested in experimenting I have some suggestions to increase (MPG) is it Kmg. Mainly none S petrol models.

4. Last has any one tried VG's on the boot?

John

[FergusM]

1. no idea what "caned tunes" are...probably just me being thick though.

2. Pretty sure the diesel mini's are the same size as the petrol ones ;)

3. Any more details on Kmg ?

4. Whart are "VG's" ? ...is it something that clears up when you apply cream ?

[Bumble]

1. no idea what caned "tunes" are...probably just me being thick though.

2. Pretty sure teh diesel mini's are the same size as te epetrol ones ;)

3. Any more details on Kmg ?

4. Whart are "VG's" ? ...is it something that clears up when you apply cream ?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[MINI William]

Just taking a stab here but "can" is to do with your OBDII plug.so what i think he is saying is do we tune cars on the dyno or do we just plug and play :smilewinkgrin:

[Johnf36]

I will work on the use of terms.

Yes Mini William at least we refer to a canned tune as a generic tune that come pre-packaged. I believe form looking at your guys site and supplier links Bluefin would be a good example of a canned tune. Vers placing the car on a rolling road or dyno and hooking up a lap top and have someone tune the car that way.

FergusM,
They won't let us have Diesels. :frown: It is my understanding they get alot better mileage then gas.

Okay right now I am working on a Hot Air Intake so I can get better numbers. But on my MCS if I can hold the incoming air temp at 37 C I can bring my high way mileage up to 40 to 45 mpg at 60 MPH possible higher. That is the current thing I am playing with.

VG's :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: :eyes up: not a cream let me see if I can get a link posted that shows it http://www.vortekz.com/
I believe I have a picture of the VG's in my gallery. Another reason they where installed was to change the air flow on the boot.

John

[MINI William]

good good thats what i thought you ment.as to the Vortex gens (i neva knew what you ment by VG but i know what a vortex gen is lol :thumbs up:).ive never seen one on a MINI apart from on a GP im sure they had them but apart from that no

[Johnf36]

MINI William how do you like your DashDaq ?

Did you get the GPS?

Have you seen this? http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2091746#post2091746
Jump down to post 16 to see the finial product.
John

[FergusM]

So...

Diesels...yip...loads more mpg than the petrols..but slower, and more expensice to buy, and with the way we are charged over here it is more expensive to buy diesel. Think in the uk you have to break 50k miles before they start paying for themselves over a petrol cooper (depreciation aside).

Probably could get better mpg with changing the air intake, I have a Alta replacement filter but did not see any difference, anything else I woudlbe nervous about while car is under warranty (plus woudl have to tell insurance company and they'd just stick up my premium).

Chipping I would like to do...but not till out of warranty, and to be honest the car seems more than quick enough in most situations...more power and I'd want it going through the rear wheels not the front.

[Johnf36]

FergusM
Understander the warranty concern :thumbs up:

It is my understanding it is easy to convert the Diesels over to BIO Fuel.

John

[FergusM]

FergusM
Understander the warranty concern :thumbs up:

It is my understanding it is easy to convert the Diesels over to BIO Fuel.

John

MMM...heard that it can again affect your warranty, and a lot of cars are "sensitive" to the bio diesel fuel. Again people will worry while in warranty period. Labour rates are silly here (~£100 an hour) so we are careful to not break them and end up with a big dealer bill.....well that is certainly my concern.

[Smitty]

It is my understanding it is easy to convert the Diesels over to BIO Fuel.

Your correct there.....but it's yet to be proven just how much damage it actually does to an engine. I remember reading a few articles about running new cars on BIO fuel and having serious engine problems after low mileage. The other problem is actually sourcing the BIO fuel!

There's also a process over here that I know some people go through which is running their car on vegetable oil and a mixture of other fuel (I think diesel).

[The Dogfather]

The quality of diesel fuel in the states isn't the same as UK diesel, too much sulphur I believe. This is one of the reasons why modern diesels such as the VAG ones are available over there, or that's what I read on another forum.

As for diesels being slower, you obviously never driven a big diesel then? I have, the torque is amazing and fuel economy is still respectable. Remember Le Mans, the diesels have won there recently :D

[Johnf36]

FergusM
Under stand :thumbs up:

Smitty
I will have to try and find it but I read an article that all the new BMW/ Benz diesel were compatible to Bio Fuel that it just required a program change from the dealer and some components added to the fuel tanks. We have older VW rabbits running on vegetable oil right now. There is also a owner in town that converted his Ford pick up over(he owns a burger joint) Plus it is looking like BMW is going after the hydrogen market.

The Dogfather thanks I forgot about the sulfur we had some issues in New Zealand take fuel onboard ship.

John

[FergusM]

Mmm...I have driven a BMW 535d ...think that counts as a big'ish diesel...lovely car, amaizingly quick.

But, most diesels are slower than petrol. Also they weigh more so tend to not go round corners as well as their petrol counter parts.

And the Mini Cooper D is not quicker than the Petrol Cooper S.... So still think my statement is correct in most instances. Most people buy diesels for economy...not performance (with a couple of exceptions...like teh BMW 335d/535d).

It is a pitty that the Diesel is not avaiable in the states...my wifes VW Haran (7 seater van thing) gets 600+ miles on a tank of diesel :)

[Johnf36]

Our EPA :eyes up::argh: is posting 63 highway for the diesel. Hey you guys can do you tube right?

[FergusM]

Our EPA :eyes up::argh: is posting 63 highway for the diesel. Hey you guys can do you tube right?


Mmm..lost me...very easy to do mind..... what does "can do you tube right?" mean ?

And what is the difference in price between Diesel and Petrol over there ?

Guys I deal with in Austin are moaning about it being $4 a gallon just now for petrol... I wish ours was that cheap !

[Johnf36]

Here Try this , I can't find the first clip.
This is the AutoX course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQQxYgzXY3I

[Johnf36]

Click on the link FergusM :computer::smilewinkgrin:

[MINI William]

MINI William how do you like your DashDaq ?

Did you get the GPS?

Have you seen this? http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2091746#post2091746
Jump down to post 16 to see the finial product.
John

The GPS is not active over here yet (so im told). I love my dashdaq best thing ive got for my car:yes nod::thumbs up:.unfortunitly the custome gauges is not active yet either still waiting on the projam being relesed.thats very impressive on that link :thumbs up:.

[The Dogfather]

Fergus, all depends on your point of view ;) At the moment I agree most diesel version of cars are slower on paper, however when you consider things like in gear times and how fast you can afford to drive I doubt there's much of a difference.

The performance diesel market is relatively new, but looking to the future the fastest R8 Audi will be a diesel and as fuel prices increase I expect more diesels to be tuned for sport rather than just economy.

Mind you there are already some cars whose top model is the diesel.

[MINI William]

disels have alot more toqure and the in gear accel is alot better.obv from a standing start it will be slower.the cooper d is a fantastic diesel.and with most turbo cars if you are not in the right gear at the right time then it wont be quick but if you are then its quick:thumbs up:

[FergusM]

Don't get me wrong...when you get diesels in right gear at right point the acceleration is amazing. I also agree that there will be more and more performance diesels...

R8...lovely no matter what engine they fit in it !

As to more torque...

Mini Cooper D... Max torque 240Nm from 1750 - 2000 revs.
Mini Cooper S... Max torque 240Nm from 1600 - 5000 revs.

Soo...Petrol has as much torque from lower down rev range to higher up the rev range :)


....ok...I will admit I know the Cooper S has a particularly nice torque range and the small turbo was designed to spin up quickly and boost torque. But point is that it is not always the case that diesels have more torque....just most cases...

Would not argue that they do more mpg though, just don't think they are quicker in most cases..with several exceptions.

[The Dogfather]

Compare the Civic diesel and the Type R for torque, also if I drove a Type R the way I drive my Civic then I'd be bankrupt in a month ;). The R56 S sounds like a diesel anyway :D

[Johnf36]

Hey everyone quick question what is the MiniD engine base ? I have heard a Peugeot is this true?

John

[FergusM]

It was certainly developed with Peugeot. You can get teh same engine as the MCS in the 207GTI etc.

...as in the engines in the R56 that is.

[Johnf36]

Did Peugeot run this engine hard on the road rally circuit?

John

[AndyP & Lenore]

Fergus, are you sure MINI designed the D engine with Peugeot? I know the Cooper S engine was a joint project with Peugeot but not so sure about the Cooper or the Cooper D.

A.

[Johnf36]

Okay this is the other one that I heard it was 1.4L Toyota 1ND-TV diesel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ND_engine
John

[Johnf36]

Also a note the VG's that I installed was before Mini did this to the 07's

The C pillars are no longer encased in glass and have been shaped to improve aerodynamics and to reduce the tendency for dirt to accumulate on the back of the car

John

[Johnf36]

One of the problems is I keep seeing a 1.4 95 hp at 177 torq and a 1.6 at 191 torq?

Does anyone know or did Mini change in 08 ?

John

[MINI William]

the mini one d thas was the gen1 car was a 1.4 the gen2 r56 cooper d is a 1.6:thumbs up:

[Johnf36]

So everyone is right:thumbs up: There are 2 engines and the 1.6 is real strong if you keep it around 1500 to 2000 rpms

John

[FergusM]

Fergus, are you sure MINI designed the D engine with Peugeot? I know the Cooper S engine was a joint project with Peugeot but not so sure about the Cooper or the Cooper D.

A.


Doohhh..you are correct. I meant that the petrol engine was made with Peugeot... doooh.... need more caffine in the mornings !