Road Tax Calculator

[Scottie]

Very handy link. Just in case you wondered.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/

So all you R53 Cooper S and JCW cars are going to be worth jack sh1t. Stupid goverment they really are

think I'll buy a big 4.8 V8 pre 2001 car and just totally pollute the air.:rolleyes: :D

[Gaz B]

Checked this out too. Gutted! my road tax is going to cost me more than my insurance!!! :confused: :eek:
Im sick of being taxed to death.:mad: :mad:

[duncan]

So all you R53 Cooper S and JCW cars are going to be worth jack sh1t.

How? The tax will be £300 next year. Big Wows.

Its like asking how much the mpg is on a Roller. If you can't afford that, should you be driving one in the first place?

[euan]

Slightly harsh Duncan. I think like most people I bought my car knowing it was in one of the higher polluting bands, and expected to be paying 200 tax on it. However, it's suddenly jumped to 300 just like that, for no apparent reason other than Government cash raiding.

For some people who've saved and budgeted for a car it's unexpected that the tax has jumped 100 quid. I'm lucky in that I can afford to pay it, but my other half would struggle if it happened to her car on top of the petrol bill (hence why we bought her a low emissions car with good MPG).

[Scottie]

How? The tax will be £300 next year. Big Wows.

Its like asking how much the mpg is on a Roller. If you can't afford that, should you be driving one in the first place?

you and I might not care Duncan but for every one of us there is another 10 or 20 or 30 people that do care and won't buy cars in the higher tax bands. Unless they a dirt cheap;) hence they will loose their value.:mad: :mad:

I think they are taxing cars high or what appears to be high so that when they bring in road charging people won't be so up in arms about it.

[duncan]

Slightly harsh Duncan. I think like most people I bought my car knowing it was in one of the higher polluting bands, and expected to be paying 200 tax on it. However, it's suddenly jumped to 300 just like that, for no apparent reason other than Government cash raiding.

For some people who've saved and budgeted for a car it's unexpected that the tax has jumped 100 quid. I'm lucky in that I can afford to pay it, but my other half would struggle if it happened to her car on top of the petrol bill (hence why we bought her a low emissions car with good MPG).

Sorry Euan, but if someones budget is that tight, and a rise of £8.34 a month makes it suddenly unaffordable for them to drive a MINI Cooper S then they should really be looking at their finances as to whether they can afford it in the first place. After all, how would they be able to afford an unexpected puncture?

[Scottie]

Sorry Euan, but if someones budget is that tight, and a rise of £8.34 a month makes it suddenly unaffordable for them to drive a MINI Cooper S then they should really be looking at their finances as to whether they can afford it in the first place. After all, how would they be able to afford an unexpected puncture?



I didn't know you could pay road tax monthly is that by direct debit.:D :D :p :p

[duncan]

I didn't know you could pay road tax monthly is that by direct debit.:D :D :p :p

Road Tax stamps from your local Post Office :p

OK, you don't get them anymore, so it seems. But I did say a rise - not a monthly payment

Actually, you get Post Office savings stamps, which can be used as payment for Road Tax, so you do have the option to pay daily, weekly, or every market Wednesday towards next years tax if you so desire.

[Craig]

I must have missed that option on my last road tax renewal :rolleyes:

monthly payments would make it easier, as I am not a saver. I would find it difficult to pay an extra £100 for my road tax, just like if any other annual bill shot up.

At the end of the day, it would still get paid, but it would have to come from somewhere.

I think the bottom line is the driver is an easy target to get more money out of, as this government knows that their public transport is a joke and is not viable. The government know they can make significant profit from the motorist with little effort. :(

[AndyP & Lenore]

This new road tax system just goes to prove though that the tax has absolutely nothing to do with raising money for road upkeep. Otherwise, why would the bigger polluters be charged £950 for the first year, then £455 the next year. Their wear and tear is the same both years.

Not that I want to turn this into a political discussion, but I think this is an incredibly unpopular change in taxation (except with our resident socialist):rolleyes: , and I can see Labour being ditched wholesale next election.

A.:mad:

[KenL]

This new road tax system just goes to prove though that the tax has absolutely nothing to do with raising money for road upkeep. Otherwise, why would the bigger polluters be charged £950 for the first year, then £455 the next year. Their wear and tear is the same both years.

Not that I want to turn this into a political discussion, but I think this is an incredibly unpopular change in taxation (except with our resident socialist):rolleyes: , and I can see Labour being ditched wholesale next election.

A.:mad:

Why charge extra in the first year? Simple, it is to try and put people off buying cars that are totally inappropriate for their needs. I think we have always known road tax has next to nothing to do with fixing roads.

As to dumping Labour, the only thing going for the Cons is their leader. I really like him, but don't think I could ever vote Tory.

I'm a Lib Dem man myself ;)

[Scottie]

Why charge extra in the first year? Simple, it is to try and put people off buying cars that are totally inappropriate for their needs. I think we have always known road tax has next to nothing to do with fixing roads.

As to dumping Labour, the only thing going for the Cons is their leader. I really like him, but don't think I could ever vote Tory.

I'm a Lib Dem man myself ;)


what determines "cars totally inappropriate for their needs."??? looking at the bands they a going after family/ small cars in the 2001-2006 bracket with poor CO2. Which lets face it the biggest % of cars on the road.

If you look at the new E70 (big gas guzzling 4x4) is less to road tax under new system than a R53 Cooper S.

Perhaps the government has got it right after all going after the polluters rather going by size.

[Scottie]

I just calculated how much it would have cost me to tax my X3 3.0si and the E46 325Ci Sport based on the registration date I would be just short of £900 a year to tax both cars.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: and if I still had my E36 I would be just be under the £1100 a year to tax the 3 cars.:eek: :eek: :eek:

So glad I've not got them now.

[KenL]

what determines "cars totally inappropriate for their needs."??? looking at the bands they a going after family/ small cars in the 2001-2006 bracket with poor CO2. Which lets face it the biggest % of cars on the road.

If you look at the new E70 (big gas guzzling 4x4) is less to road tax under new system than a R53 Cooper S.

Perhaps the government has got it right after all going after the polluters rather going by size.

Inapproriate? A big car carrying one person 95% of the time.

Emissions should be a consideration as should how much fuel they use - oil won't last for ever.

Technology can develop in such a way that emissions are reduced due to being trapped by large adsorbing surfaces in catalysts etc., but fuel consumption should also be a consideration.

[vintageb3]

I can see Labour being ditched wholesale next election.

A.:mad:

This government will be remembered for shifting goal posts.

I totally agree with you Andy...they will be out next election time. I stopped voting years ago..waste of time...but I will be voting next time and it will not be New Labour. I see that the personal allowance has been done away with...and income tax is down to 20%. This is linked to pensions...so now you only get out 20% of what you paid in instead of 22%:eek:

I don't think its fair that they can change the tax on vehicles that were bought and paid for years ago. They should start the changes to car tax laws for cars bought on the day after the relevant budget. Its not a fair government that expects a car buyer in 2004 to foresee a change in taxation that could have he or she paying 3-4 times as much road tax...or more importantly...instantly devaluing their car.

As I have said before road tax is cheap, but they really need to change the whole system so that those who do high milages pay more. I still think they should do away with road tax...and put it on the fuel price.

I'm wondering if there wil be protests over these road tax changes????

mark

[Sheilz]

Is it not bizarre though that old cars - pre-2001 will still go by engine size so that our old civic hatchback - Munro's everyday car - is going to be so much cheaper than my car though I suspect it has a lot higher emissions given its older technology.
I think its just another way to shaft the motorist. Nice easy targets.:mad::mad::mad:

[duncan]

Not that I want to turn this into a political discussion, but I think this is an incredibly unpopular change in taxation (except with our resident socialist):rolleyes: , and I can see Labour being ditched wholesale next election.

A.:mad:

Wooo, was that a wee dig at me there Andy? If you want to have a pop at my opinion, actually have the guts and name names, eh.

My politics have eff all to do with what I've posted.
Socialist? Yes, however, my politics vary from Extreme left, to Extreme right, and most variances inbetween, dependant on policy.

As for the saying whether its a popular or unpopular thing, well, I think even the least educated dung beetle would know that most, if not all, taxes are unpopular.

All I initially answered was Fionas post saying that R53 S and JCWs were going to be worth jacksh1t.

And I still say, will £300 road tax a year really wipe thousands of pounds off the value of them? Nope, not in my opinion.

[Scottie]

All I initially answered was Fionas post saying that R53 S and JCWs were going to be worth jacksh1t.

And I still say, will £300 road tax a year really wipe thousands of pounds off the value of them? Nope, not in my opinion.


That;s all fine and well If your a one car family of a single person with the one car.

However most families have 2 cars these days some perhaps have more.

SO in the grand scheme of things the potential is there that car road tax have risen to a level making taxing cars an epensive item IMHO.

[AndyP & Lenore]

1. Wooo, was that a wee dig at me there Andy? If you want to have a pop at my opinion, actually have the guts and name names, eh.

2. My politics have eff all to do with what I've posted.

3. Socialist? Yes, however, my politics vary from Extreme left, to Extreme right, and most variances inbetween, dependant on policy.

4. As for the saying whether its a popular or unpopular thing, well, I think even the least educated dung beetle would know that most, if not all, taxes are unpopular.

5. All I initially answered was Fionas post saying that R53 S and JCWs were going to be worth jacksh1t.

6. And I still say, will £300 road tax a year really wipe thousands of pounds off the value of them? Nope, not in my opinion.

Lemme tick these off one at a time. I've added paragraph numbers for easy reference.

1. Yes, a dig at you. And you're right I should have said so. Thank you for pointing that out. Although I kinda thought it was obvious when I typed it.:rolleyes:

2. Don't believe you - my prerogative.:p

3. Fair enough - your prerogative to be inconsistent.:p

4. Didn't say the tax was unpopular. VintageB3 doesn't think it's unpopular. I don't think MVL's are unpopular. I think this CHANGE in brackets and the way it's being implemented is going to be deeply unpopular.:mad:

5. I accept that. Fair enough.:o

6. Disagree with you there. I honestly think that the increasing taxation on these vehicles will unquestionably make them less desirable and therefore devalue them in the market.:mad: :mad:

A.:(

[duncan]

SO in the grand scheme of things the potential is there that car road tax have risen to a level making taxing cars an epensive item IMHO.

Woah, wait a minute here. £100 a year more on an S
Were on a website for a car that has never been cheap.

Bit of prespective required.

[duncan]

Lemme tick these off one at a time. I've added paragraph numbers for easy reference.

1. Yes, a dig at you. And you're right I should have said so. Thank you for pointing that out. Although I kinda thought it was obvious when I typed it.:rolleyes:



Yes, thanks for making it very easy for me to understand Andy. I'm so glad.
See, you don't know a jot about my voting history, so wee digs like that are wasted when i've never ever voted for a socialist party.



2. Don't believe you - my prerogative.:p


And i'm meant to care?



3. Fair enough - your prerogative to be inconsistent.:p


I'm glad my life isnt boring then.



4. Didn't say the tax was unpopular. VintageB3 doesn't think it's unpopular. I don't think MVL's are unpopular. I think this CHANGE in brackets and the way it's being implemented is going to be deeply unpopular.:mad:


I bet you rush on down to the local tax office with a song in your heart, to to pay all your taxes then, eh? Aye, right.

All taxes are unpopular. No-one likes to hand over their hard earned to the state, be it income, or road fund tax.



5. I accept that. Fair enough.:o

6. Disagree with you there. I honestly think that the increasing taxation on these vehicles will unquestionably make them less desirable and therefore devalue them in the market.:mad: :mad:

A.:(


Well, this is where we disagree. And why didn't you just say that in the first place, instead of a poor attempt at sarcasm?

[FergusM]

Before WW3 breaks out here I thought I would put in my thoughts...

- Tax increase is bad, always is.
- Seems unfair to me when it is back dated, at least if only applied to new cars then people get a choice in how "bad" a car they drive.
- Increases have nothing to do with being Green...just a way to raise more ££

I also don't think that the super charged Mini's will be instantly devalued, as people looking at alternatives...say a Civic Type R will find they are the same with regard to road tax.

I do think it will drive manufacurers to make more fuel efficient cars...bmw diesels in particular look a bargain....road tax wise anyway.

[Scottie]

Woah, wait a minute here. £100 a year more on an S
Were on a website for a car that has never been cheap.

Bit of prespective required.


Duncan,

You know fine well what I mean't is, if you had more than one car.

[vintageb3]

No one likes paying taxes when they are writing the cheque...but we do need to pay for our amenities. All taxes ARE perceived unpopular by the general public but the public would be the first to complain if their amenities were affected in any way.

Everyone who is earning money does need to pay tax. In that way, we look after our elderly etc. I think some taxes are fair or should be fair if implemented correctly. I think income tax is the fairest of the taxes...the more you make...the more you pay. I think VAT is a rip off though!

I think doing away with the personal allowance can only hit the lower paid worker...its the kind of tax change you would expect from a Tory chancellor and goes yet again to prove to me...New Labour is just a Tory party.

I think that Road Tax should be put on the fuel cost....the more you use...the more you pay....that seems fairer to me in my mind. No doubt, by the time a government played about with a system like that...it could be deemed by the general public to be unfair....but I think it could be fair.

I also think that ALL the money reaped in by Road Tax should be spent on roads or public transport improvements.

mark

[Gaz B]

Well I CAN afford to pay it but refuse! :mad: My cooper s is now for sale and somebody is coming to look at it tonight! I aint paying £300 road tax, over £300 insurance and astronomical fuel prices for a car that does 3000 miles per year.
The really frustrating thing is that I have just got the car the way I want it and was planning on keeping it for at least another year.
I never checked road tax prices when I bought my 's and I certainly never forseen this hike.Might have thought twice had I known????

[duncan]

Duncan,

You know fine well what I mean't is, if you had more than one car.

If I had 2 cars, like the S or the JCW S it would go up by the same amount. £100 a year more.

In your case with the fleet of BMWs example you gave earlier, yes, your tax has gone up considerably more than that.

Yet, is that not what the point these tax rises are (apart from getting money out of joe public) to slow down the amount of these cars on the road?

Anyway, now you've got your £35 a year motor to tax, do you not have a big smile?

[euan]

It's important to think of a bigger picture here - some people will be a bit insular and think "I'm all right, my car's only £35". But it's the wider implication that the tax on say my brothers car has gone from 150 to 450 in the time he's had it. That's where I have a real issue with this. I'm not seeing any more spending on roads, I'm not seeing any more investment on rail, and there are no changes to the tax or NIC to even up the tax. So how is it fair?

The green taxes are pure money making revenue grabbing. Fine to put these taxes onto new cars when they are registered, but not on cars that are already on the road, that's unfair.

[Gismo]

The green taxes are pure money making revenue grabbing. Fine to put these taxes onto new cars when they are registered, but not on cars that are already on the road, that's unfairAgreed, Labour wiull not win the next election that's for sure, at least they won't get my vote :mad:

[KenL]

Agreed, Labour wiull not win the next election that's for sure, at least they won't get my vote :mad:

Do you think any party would be much different?

[Gismo]

Do you think any party would be much different?
Nope, i've never voted and i never will

[euan]

Do you think any party would be much different?

I don't think it makes much odds now that they've seen what they can get away with!