More info on R56 Cooper S JCW "Stage II"

[AndyP & Lenore]

On Motoring File. (http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/11/08/mf-exclusive-2009-factory-jcw-mini-revealed/) TBH, it's still lots of suppositions and guesswork, but interesting to read all the same.

And I know Jason will be interested as Lesly has promised he can have one when it's released.:D :eek: :o

A.:D

[N12 JLK]

Sounds good, wonder how much it will be.
Lesley wanted a clubman today but she had to wake up to a big no:D
JCW next year, oh have to go she's coming into the livingroom and I dont want a slap

[ELFMAN]

Bet the 'Optimised Turbocharger' will add an extra '0' to the end of the price........

Power figures are 'interesting'. The standard S on long-term 'Evo' mag test registered 205bhp/230torques on its first two runs on a rolling road, it then 'settled down' to 175/192......... Tester reckoned his 'cooking' S felt just as quick as the 'Works' one, which is why they 'Roaded' it. They put the figures down to the overboost kicking in on the first runs.......

I'd love to see a 'back-to-back' Road/Roller test between the two, as there are so many conflicting power quotes kicking around for the R56.......

Saw a lovely S Clubman today at dealer (met paint 17" web alloys etc etc) - then saw the lovely price... £24.5K. No thanks.

[V11kae]

I was at a rolling Road Saturday there Dastek, Dalgety Bay and Put my R56 JCW Cooper S on there, as soon as I get a chance to scan the results I will get them on here for you all to see. but short of it is 204.9 bhp with 206 torque.

[Sweeney]

Ah so your that Vicky lol :o Also to note that an r53 works 200kit only got 189 bhp and was down a bit on torque and that peak power arrived at lowers revs than stated

[AndyP & Lenore]

I was at a rolling Road Saturday there Dastek, Dalgety Bay and Put my R56 JCW Cooper S on there, as soon as I get a chance to scan the results I will get them on here for you all to see. but short of it is 204.9 bhp with 206 torque.

That certainly gels with how ours feels now. Good figures.:D

A.;)

[ianking]

I got 191 bhp with my standard R56 S when it only had 600 miles on it. Cant remember the torks but have the sheet in the house so will look it out. Add to that im also known to be a bit tight and just put any old petrol in it, none of that expensive V power or anything.
Works kit seems like alot of money for not alot of horses.

[AndyP & Lenore]

I got 191 bhp with my standard R56 S when it only had 600 miles on it. Cant remember the torks but have the sheet in the house so will look it out. Add to that im also known to be a bit tight and just put any old petrol in it, none of that expensive V power or anything.
Works kit seems like alot of money for not alot of horses.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Takes the car from 175BHP (officially) to 206BHP (reality):confused:

That's similar performance increase to the R53 JCW Works package for a third of the cost.:D

A.;)

[V11kae]

Ah so your that Vicky lol :o Also to note that an r53 works 200kit only got 189 bhp and was down a bit on torque and that peak power arrived at lowers revs than stated

Hey Sweeney, were you there on Saturday? Did we meet? :)

[Sweeney]

Haha no, you'd remember me if we did :o

i just saw vicky and cooper s works being mentioned and thought hmm whos that :D

[V11kae]

Haha no, you'd remember me if we did :o

i just saw vicky and cooper s works being mentioned and thought hmm whos that :D

ahh, I was curious how you knew of the R53 that was there though :p

[Sweeney]

Aye paul, spoke to him a few times, his puntos nice. Although he thought he'd bought a 210 so wasnt that gutted at figures after all once i told him it was just a 200 ;) :p

[V11kae]

Aye paul, spoke to him a few times, his puntos nice. Although he thought he'd bought a 210 so wasnt that gutted at figures after all once i told him it was just a 200 ;) :p

First time I had met the guy, went to Dastek through a mate. I was chuffed with my results after what I was told to expect. Down fall being I always want to better my toys, how can you better perfect :p

you not going on sunday?

[AndyP & Lenore]

you not going on sunday?

He'd get lost on the way down Vikki.;)

[Sweeney]

lol aye id get lost but thats all in the fun of things :p

Nah, im fed up with the mini, only driving when i need to at the minute lol

[V11kae]

fed up wityh a mini? sounds liek your lost in the head! :p

[Sweeney]

lol im lost in more ways than that :D

But aye, time to move onwards and upwards :o

[V11kae]

lol im lost in more ways than that :D

But aye, time to move onwards and upwards :o

You sound like a greedy man! (boy?) I think I drive the best car in the world at the moment! but you cant have mine!

[Sweeney]

lol greedy? not at all.

As for the car statement, i learnt a long time some of the worst things you can do is answer back to a woman and argue with a woman... :P

So ok, aye, if you say so :D :D

[V11kae]

lol greedy? not at all.

As for the car statement, i learnt a long time some of the worst things you can do is answer back to a woman and argue with a woman... :P

So ok, aye, if you say so :D :D



lol, i dont argue. but my car I am right with! :p so what you possibly got your eyes on thats better than a Mini?

[Sweeney]

Ah well saves a lot of grief then if you don't :o

See here > http://www.newminiscotland.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=13066 :p

[japper]

I was at a rolling Road Saturday there Dastek, Dalgety Bay and Put my R56 JCW Cooper S on there, as soon as I get a chance to scan the results I will get them on here for you all to see. but short of it is 204.9 bhp with 206 torque.

V11kae, any chance of posting the charts yet:)

[V11kae]

V11kae, any chance of posting the charts yet:)

you know i completely forgot :o , will get my scanner out tonight for you all to see. :)

[japper]

you know i completely forgot :o , will get my scanner out tonight for you all to see. :)

There's nothing like a good scanner:p

[V11kae]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/V11kae/Scan1.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e39/V11kae/Scan10002.jpg

:D :) :cool:

[Big Gordy]

Aww come on V11kae:eek: the last ones squint and the wrong way round:rolleyes::p:D

[AndyP & Lenore]

Here's a question for anyone in the know....

Is BHP normally quoted at the engine? Or at the wheels? E.G. When Clarkson is banging on about the latest Ferrari being 450 BHP is that the engine BHP or the Wheels BHP?

And equally so, MINI's quoted 192BHP for the R56 JCW upgrade... is that at the engine or the wheels?

A.:confused:

[Sweeney]

All quoted figures are that of engine power (at the flywheel) Theres lots to consider about power outputs from dyno tests so much affects the results

[japper]

Great charts V11kae, and they look very like what MINI quote with the torque curve.

Good to see that the Works kit 'flattens' out the horrid power dip at 3k rpm. This backs up how it feels on the road.

Also it's great to see the difference in the two power runs. The second one obviously activated the 'overboost' feature. Which obvoiusly does not increase outright top end power result.

[V11kae]

Aww come on V11kae:eek: the last ones squint and the wrong way round:rolleyes::p:D

:mad: scanning is not my specialty! :p squints better than nothing! :D

(damn pernikity mini Drivers!)

Jappers, understand quite a bit but I am blonde lol:eek: :confused: :cool:

[japper]

:mad: scanning is not my specialty! :p squints better than nothing! :D

(damn pernikity mini Drivers!)

Jappers, understand quite a bit but I am blonde lol:eek: :confused: :cool:

Looking at it again.

The drivetrain losses are only around 8%..............that's got to be wrong. I would expect around 13%.

This though would mean MORE power at the crank !

Come on pro's, enlighten us dummies.